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It's this idea:
On September 02 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 10:53 citi.zen wrote:
I survived a hit last night.
Also, I tracked lsb to myself.
##vote LSB Your confirmed citizen, but thanks to the medic who protected you. What do you think about lynching BB instead because BB might be a good role(such as roleblocker!) I mean they're both mafia, so why not lynch the more possible gain?
Should we lynch BrownBear instead? Or Fishball? I mean, LSB ain't going anywhere and the mafia KP is 1 regardless.
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Updated info sheet:
#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- Traitor, recruited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear --- caught lying about what he tried to draft
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke
In addition to LSB we have the medic or JOAT who saved me (thanks) and 3 reds in here:
Fishball
Brownbear
JeeJee
DarthThienAn
Divinek
Pandain
There is role-blocker and at least another mafia traveling role.
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On September 02 2010 12:54 SiNiquity wrote:Eh, long day.  Interesting that no one was roleblocked.. afraid of being tracked maybe? Chaoser: <3 for confirming 4 townies. Sorry we had to sacrifice you to do it As for the lynch, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch LSB. A Mafia lynch is a successful lynch is it not? And even though it doesn't reduce KP, it does reduce the Mafia win scenario (i.e. outnumber town). Is there really any disadvantage to lynching him now rather than later? Also, something to keep in mind: Rasta isn't necessarily cleared. He also wasn't necessarily role-blocked - if he were mafia, he could simply aim at the Mafia's target and claim roleblocked, as the Mafia kill would cover it up. Anyway, I'll check in the morning before I disappear off to work again [freaking hectic week].
Rastaban isn't 100% cleared, you're absolutely right.
And yes, we got very lucky with Chaoser and his list. Could have easily ended up with us lynching Opz for lying, then perhaps me for calling him out.
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On September 02 2010 12:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Citizen....Care to track divinek? I'll protect you again tonight.
OK, on to claim number 3 for you, medic it is!
I guess this is the last nail in BrownBear's coffin, he previously claimed to try to draft meth-man.
Tracking Divinek won't do anything - he has a role so he will show up as static. Only Vanilla mafia can be tracked to the mafia victim unfortunately.
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Suggestion:
1. We lynch LSB today.
2. Fishball investigates DTA tomorrow night.
3. We lynch Brownbear tomorrow.
4. Fishball investigates Pandain.
5. We lynch Fishball day after tomorrow. If he flips red - as I fully expect him to - great. If he flips town, great again, we have more confirmed people.
What do you all think?
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On September 03 2010 03:12 flamewheel wrote:
Thank god for the "All" function. You guys post a lot ><
Show-off :-) I really miss that button!
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Citizen I guess I applaud you for taking the inititive, since if you knew you were town than you could assume Chaoser was most likely innocent. Therefore you knew LSB was mafia. Why would you track him? Afraid he was another role?
I know your innocent just curious.
This is a bit incorrect: I did not know Chaoser was most likely innocent. Even if he said he knew I was town, he could have been covering for Opz, or someone else on that list of 5. Unlikely, but possible. My push to CV LSB for a 2nd night in a row was based on the argument that I did not want to give the mafia extra options.
It was also possible the CV would get role-blocked last night; Fishball said he would not investigate one of Chaoser/LSB because it's "idiotic" (after initially asking for suggestions; and yelling at Radfield to "never use that tone with him" for much lesser statements). At any rate. today the town could still have to solve the "who is the traitor" puzzle, possibly wasting another lynch. You were hell-bent on lynching Chaoser "for information", for example.
Finally, while I certainly could have tracked someone else, the tracker role is not that great since anyone with any role will not "go" to the mafia kill victim. I thought of trying to find the role-blocker, but as it turns out they seem to have not visited anyone, so that would have been a waste even if I guessed the right person. I also guess most of the mafia will have SOME role, since the "plan" guaranteed them roles like the Godfather/Pardoner/etc. - once again making tracking ineffective even if I have the right person.
So I made the boring choice and checked LSB to be 100% certain the traitor puzzle was solved last night one way or another.
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On September 03 2010 04:50 Pandain wrote:
Okay does everyone agree with this?
Fishball checks me
Tracker checks brownbear
Rasta shoots CV
Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well.
Everyone agree?
Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me.
No:
Telling BrownBear that he will be tracked is a bad idea. If he has any role and "stays home" we get nothing but confusion. I believe that if he is red he has a role, for reasons I already stated. Given the nature of my role I am not going to announce who I am tracking, to keep people honest. The same could be true for the watcher I guess.
Also, I'd rather ask Rastaban to shoot BrownBear than himself (is that allowed) next night cycle.
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On September 03 2010 05:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:08 citi.zen wrote:On September 03 2010 04:50 Pandain wrote:
Okay does everyone agree with this?
Fishball checks me
Tracker checks brownbear
Rasta shoots CV
Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well.
Everyone agree?
Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me. No: Telling BrownBear that he will be tracked is a bad idea. If he has any role and "stays home" we get nothing but confusion. I believe that if he is red he has a role, for reasons I already stated. Given the nature of my role I am not going to announce who I am tracking, to keep people honest. The same could be true for the watcher I guess. Also, I'd rather ask Rastaban to shoot BrownBear than himself (is that allowed) next night cycle. See, but I think announcing who you're going to track will help us anyway, because they will not use their roles. WE are going to lynch both of them anyway, as I at least suspect both of them heavily, and in addition they are part of the unconfirmed townies. For example, last game they didn't roleblock anyone, probably because they were afraid of getting tracked. If darth is roleblocker, we kill him. If Brownbear is, he can't use his role. Either way, the roleblocker will either be forced to not use his power or he will be dead. Do you see my point?
I must confess I do not see your point. How would we know DTA is the RB if I tracked BrownBear?
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On September 03 2010 05:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:18 citi.zen wrote:On September 03 2010 05:14 Pandain wrote:On September 03 2010 05:08 citi.zen wrote:On September 03 2010 04:50 Pandain wrote:
Okay does everyone agree with this?
Fishball checks me
Tracker checks brownbear
Rasta shoots CV
Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well.
Everyone agree?
Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me. No: Telling BrownBear that he will be tracked is a bad idea. If he has any role and "stays home" we get nothing but confusion. I believe that if he is red he has a role, for reasons I already stated. Given the nature of my role I am not going to announce who I am tracking, to keep people honest. The same could be true for the watcher I guess. Also, I'd rather ask Rastaban to shoot BrownBear than himself (is that allowed) next night cycle. See, but I think announcing who you're going to track will help us anyway, because they will not use their roles. WE are going to lynch both of them anyway, as I at least suspect both of them heavily, and in addition they are part of the unconfirmed townies. For example, last game they didn't roleblock anyone, probably because they were afraid of getting tracked. If darth is roleblocker, we kill him. If Brownbear is, he can't use his role. Either way, the roleblocker will either be forced to not use his power or he will be dead. Do you see my point? I must confess I do not see your point. How would we know DTA is the RB if I tracked BrownBear? Because he will be killed. And if brownbear is roleblocker you will have tracked him to Rastaban. and if rasta gets blocked then we know darth is the roleblocker.
This is what you proposed:
On September 03 2010 04:50 Pandain wrote:
Okay does everyone agree with this?
Fishball checks me
Tracker checks brownbear
Rasta shoots CV
Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well.
Everyone agree?
Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me.
Who will shoot DTA? And why would we shoot him over a confirmed liar who hasn't done anything the entire game?
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On September 03 2010 06:24 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:38 citi.zen wrote:
Who will shoot DTA? And why would we shoot him over a confirmed liar who hasn't done anything the entire game? Are you special or something? I never lied.
Very special. Thanks for be ing more active. Even if it's still not useful.
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On September 03 2010 11:10 Ace wrote:great performance imo
Agreed.
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On September 03 2010 20:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Later on ofc, after he checks more people. We arent killing him now... I suggest check darth fishball, and then we kill BB
Exactly, we have a decent suspect in BrownBear right now. When we get to Fishball we'll either catch a red or get more confirmed investigations.
Am curious to hear more from JeeJee, and hear about the red Rastaban found, remembering this excellent point:
On September 02 2010 12:54 SiNiquity wrote:Eh, long day. Interesting that no one was roleblocked.. afraid of being tracked maybe? Chaoser: <3 for confirming 4 townies. Sorry we had to sacrifice you to do it As for the lynch, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch LSB. A Mafia lynch is a successful lynch is it not? And even though it doesn't reduce KP, it does reduce the Mafia win scenario (i.e. outnumber town). Is there really any disadvantage to lynching him now rather than later? Also, something to keep in mind: Rasta isn't necessarily cleared. He also wasn't necessarily role-blocked - if he were mafia, he could simply aim at the Mafia's target and claim roleblocked, as the Mafia kill would cover it up.Anyway, I'll check in the morning before I disappear off to work again [freaking hectic week].
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I would also like to say that if you never contribute anything, never seriously try to do either post analysis or propose/critiques plans, when all you do is try to stay alive and suddenly become active when someone accuses you, you will look pretty damn red.
Do you want to at least seem credible as a pro-town player? Actively try to find reds, don't just say "uhh... I'm not red, you are wrong, you'll see when I die; also, whaaaaa".
LSB did quite well this game because he recovered from some early iffy play (which may have been deliberate if he was trying to be found) and started participating pretty actively in the debates, doing analysis of other people. He wasn't afraid to put himself out there.
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I would love for the watcher to watch fisball if possible.
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So DTA was the 2nd mason. Odd there is no other role for him - a mafia picking that far down could safely go GF I would think. Divinek killed the other mason day 1. The mafia would probably try to use BM in more creative ways? I don't know, but it slightly moves Divinek towards the back of the list in my mind.
Unconfirmed:
Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball.
An unconfirmed person cannot "confirm" you at this time.
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Wait, was DTA mason or "mason-er" - perhaps the person BM had connected with?
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On September 04 2010 11:44 SiNiquity wrote:DTA was copycat huh (pretty sure there was only 1 mason this game, but with BM dying first CC would get his role)? Hmm down to 9 with 2 Mafia left... at this point, is it advantageous to keep the CV? Suppose, worst case scenario, we persistently hit town (I don't foresee this given the large number of confirmed players, but again worst case here): With CV- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 6 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
Without CV- Lynch CV
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 7 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 5 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
The tradeoff here is Mafia is guaranteed one more hit which will of course hit town (whereas CV has a chance to hit Mafia). However, it also gives one additional use of the Bullet Bill and Tracker, while also removing a potentially dangerous role should the CV turn out to be Mafia. This is of course presuming Fishball is town (tracker seems to be pretty handicapped with the roles taking priority). The fact that JeeJee was killed, confirming Fishball's claim that he was not Mafia, sadly does nothing to confirm Fish himself. Although I'm admittedly surprised Mafia would go after JeeJee rather than someone on Chaoser's list. Hmm...
Remember, at some point if we have a few people checked by Fishball, we can just lynch him to "confirm" them. Killing these people off makes that option less attractive.
Batman, Pacman same shit different mask :-)
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Rastaban just killed a red, no? He had ample cover to pick someone other than DTA.
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