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I have a couple CV suggestions based on how he flips(traitor or SK) | ||
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Damn it. The ALL function is gone. I remember that someone(jeejee maybe?) posted a way to use add-ons or something to get a hack version of the all function. This was posted somewhere else in the Mafia forums. Anyone remember where it is or what it is? OK, lets move on. We need to cut the spam and discuss our options. We've bought ourselves a ton of time with the SK lynch, but we still need to focus. We have until tonight at 9EST, but can delay that to Monday at 9EST if needed. We need to decide on our night actions, and vote on the CV hit. Fishball is Bullet Bill(town or mafia). FIshball, since you are out in the open, you might as well declare who you visited last night. If you actually did find someone with a gun, then there is a 3/4 chance that it is a mafia(1 JOAT, 3 Mafia). Or if they didn't have a gun, we have someone who is verified town. Keep in mind that the only people who should have picked JOAT are Opz and JeeJee. So if you checked someone else and they came back positive, then they are likely mafia. Everyone please keep in mind that while Fishball is almost certainly the Bullet Bill. He is in no way confirmed town. It's very plausable that he took the wrong pick given the draft order moving around, but it's also possible that he is using that as an excuse and took BB to deny it from town. Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why? Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt. Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa) My proposal for tonight: Compvig LSB Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball Once Fishball reveals who he looked at, the Alignment Cop should check that person, as it will help to establish his sanity(at least it will once Fishball becomes confirmed). Fishball you need to reveal your pick as soon as you can, to give the Alignment Cop time to get his night action in. Joat do your own thing, you either protected or investigated last night. If you investigated, you should Talk tonight and let someone know the alignment of who you checked. If you protected last night, you should investigate Fishball tonight, as knowing his alignment is highly beneficial to the town. Again, if you ever find a red you should claim in the thread. If your talking tonight, go with whomever strikes you as most pro-town. Keep in mind that SK is dead, so pro-town means town at this point(as opposed to a SK who is playing pro-town) Chaoser, you should reveal your list the moment someone on it gets NKed + Show Spoiler + Also, I feel it's important to note that the last two people who died both pointed FoS at me. If anyone else feels this way, let me know. I stand by every post I've made this game, and I feel like I've been playing decently so far. I have posted a ton of content, so there will always be things to nitpick, but I'm willing to defend it all. | ||
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Pandain should protect Fishball Doctors should protect anyone except players 2/3/6, Keep in mind that Opz and Citizen have a good chance of being defensive roles. Once again I ask that the Doctors think about protecting me. Siniquity is also a good choice, as is bumatlarge(basically confirmed townie). In my eyes Divinek is mostly confirmed, and may or may not be a candidate for protection. If mafia want to shoot at pandain that is fine, as his job is to die anyways(martyr). I don't think Jeejee or Darth should be protected. One because I have slightly scummy vibes towards those two players, two because they may have defensive roles. | ||
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On August 29 2010 22:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: Eh, I think peeeeersonally martyr shouldn't protect Fishball. What if we want to lynch Fishball tomorrow Radfield? Tha's true, I hadn't considered that. However, I feel like we have a lot of decent lynch candidates for tomorrow, so if we really want to kill fishball, we can always CV him at night. However, there is a potential that killing fishball will reveal alot of info that we would need for our night actions. Definitely a consideration. Personally I would still lean towards martyring on fishball. He's a hugely critical role if town, and martyr is a for-sure save. | ||
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I may be wrong here though, so if anyone disagrees speak up. | ||
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 Yes the Joat should look at fishball  . Either you are the Joat opz, or the joat talked to you last night, in which case you are a defensive role. Fishball, now you should definitely reveal who you checked. LSB: you raise a good point. Bullet Bill checking SR does not necessarily do anything, as mafia may not have converted him yet. Your solution baffles me though. You say that instead of BBing SR, Fishball should check you. But everything that holds true for SR also holds true for you. If you are the traitor then you are not necessarily a mafia yet, same as SR. Chaoser hasn't talked in a long time though. I'd like to hear his thoughts. | ||
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I'd watch Fishballs(yum yum) for the fun of it. | ||
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On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow. Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. Not only have you not read the thread, but it's like you don't even understand the rules. Just modkill him anyways Ace, it will save us the trouble. | ||
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Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. | ||
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On August 30 2010 02:59 citi.zen wrote: Radfield, I am confused with your proposals for tonight. For example, why CV LSB and use the Bullet Bill on SR? The way LSB flips will pretty much tell us what SR's alignment is, no? The issue I was thinking of, was that if LSB flips town, we still have to decide between chaoser and Southrawrea. BulletBill is useless on chaoser. Chaoser also has a useful town role right now(if he's not the traitor). By having CV on LSB, and BulletBill on SR, my thought was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. Then it was pointed out that if SR was the traitor, then there is a good chance he hasn't flipped to red yet, so the BulletBill would be useless. Which is a good point. BUT Does anyone actually think Southrawrea is the traitor? I don't. I think he's either a truthful town, or a mafia trying to screw with us(vengeful player, etc). Him actually being the traitor would be a bit bizarre in fact. My big hope was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. I'm not sure if that can happen anymore, so I'm open to other plans. Either a SR or LSB CV hit is fine with me. On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was wondering why you visited me last night =/ Hold on a second here. Opz just claimed tracker, OK. I guess he didn't follow the plan after all, that's OK, there are good pro-town reasons he might take tracker instead. Fishball claims he visited Opz, which presumably he did, since Opz tracked him. One question Fishball: Why would you ever, EVER investigate Opz. Of all the people in the game, Opz is absolutely the worst for a pro-town player to BulletBill. Why? Because even if he has a gun, he is the most likely player to be the JOAT. Southrawrea had already admitted not following the plan, so that means Opz is a 50/50 shot at being the Joat. Of any player in the game, his result tells you the least, since if he shows up with a gun, you still have no idea of his alignment(unlike every other player in the game, with the possible exception of Jeejee, the other potential Joat). You either made a very stupid move, or one of two things happened:
You now have two strikes fishball: You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot You investigated Opz One more strike and you're out. In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think.LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] + On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes. | ||
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On August 30 2010 07:28 LSB wrote: ik His claiming rolecop only confirmed my theory. My theory hinges on Subversions choice Honestly, I just don't get it. You could flip town right now, and I wouldn't be particularly surprised. I understand how once you figure out that Sub picked rolecop, the rest follows. That I'm fine with. But I don't see how you could be so sure that Sub actually picked that. Looking back, I agree with you the sub picked rolecop, it makes decent sense, and makes sense why they would try to kill zeks. But at the time it certainly was not that obvious. 1. We didn't know zeks' role. He might have been traitor, role cop, defensive role, etc. He hadn't claimed either way. 2. Subversion came in late, and it actually is quite possible that he never got to communicate to his teammates. Checking the times, Sub came in at 9:40, role PMs went out at around 11:30. It is very possible that his 3 other teammates were not around in this time, or the Sub didn't have time to hang around chat with them. He might think 'Who really cares, just send in a role and hope I get it'. Look at how much time Sub has spent on this game, it took him like 24hours before he realized he was dead. It seems plausible even now to me that he picked after a different role. Not likely, but plausible. 3. Even after zeks claimed role cop, that still didn't necessarily mean that it was true. Anyways all that aside, I'd still rather take you out than either chaoser or Southrawrea. Chaoser because he has a good role, and Southrawrea because I think he is telling the truth. On August 30 2010 03:14 JeeJee wrote: autopager addon for ff lemme know if you need help setting it up Thanks, I'm setting it up now, I'll PM you if I need help. Ace, for what it's worth I vote for an extension till tomorrow night. But If no one else agrees and if you have all your night actions in, I guess we can go ahead. | ||
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On May 07 2010 04:33 JeeJee wrote: btw those that are complaining about the lack of an all-button .. yeah i can see how it would be annoying. look into the autopager addon for firefox =) you can set it up for teamliquid as such: + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2009 13:57 onmach wrote: I had to tweak a few things to get it to work just right. For url pattern, enable regexp and use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/(forum|blogs)/view(message|blog)\.php.* For link xpath: (//a[text() = 'Next' and contains(@title, 'Next Page') and contains(@href, 'view')] For content xpath: //td[@valign="top"]//table[@width=600] Sure makes following the fitness thread easier. then you can just start at the first page, scroll down until the last page and you have your very own all button ^-^ It seems to take some micro management though, as it only loads the next page once I scroll to the bottom of the page. It doesn't just keep going all the way automatically | ||
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Do we have any way to find out Fishball's alignment? Bullet Bill, nope. Role Cop, nope. Tracker, nope. Alignment Cop, maybe. JOAT! Joat, you absolutely must use your check on Fishball. You are the only one that can. Alignment Cop should also check fishball just in case. Once we establish Fishball's alignment, he can do the rest. However, we need to be prepared for the possibility that Fishball's alignment cannot be ascertained. AC might be naive or paranoid, Joat may have already used his check, or one or both may not be in the game. In which case, we may need to lynch Fishball if he doesn't produce results. btw, you were already town in my books opz What do you make of Fishball checking you and not a different player? | ||
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rastaban Town chaoser LSB SouthRawrea Town Fishball Mid Scum ~Opz~ Town citi.zen Mid Town BrownBear USELESS JeeJee Scum DarthThienAn Scum siNiquity Mid Town Divinek Town Radfield Town bumatlarge Town Pandain Town Rastaban should eventually be lynched to delay the game if we can establish multiple investigative roles. | ||
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 It's night time | ||
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