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On August 22 2010 07:08 citi.zen wrote:
Lynch me, I don't care. I just don't see why some of you are pushing to pre-asign people to roles. The people doing the organizating aren't confirmed. The town shouldn't care who gets what. The real discussion starts after we have our draft list.
We're not pushing anyone to pick any one thing. We're making sure the town gets what the town needs. The town will care about that.
Also, its good we have an extra 24 hours. Now we have even more time to get this plan rollin'
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On August 22 2010 07:52 SiNiquity wrote:
EBWOP
This is not to say I'm advocating the player list model over all others; I'm simply advocating it over the current model. Personally I say keep your # to yourself. We flesh out the picking algorithm and follow that tomorrow..
So your post is saying we should do Radfield's plan,but keep numbers hidden?
Or do you propose we scrap the plan altogether?
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On August 22 2010 09:22 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 08:16 Pandain wrote:On August 22 2010 07:52 SiNiquity wrote:
EBWOP
This is not to say I'm advocating the player list model over all others; I'm simply advocating it over the current model. Personally I say keep your # to yourself. We flesh out the picking algorithm and follow that tomorrow.. So your post is saying we should do Radfield's plan,but keep numbers hidden? Or do you propose we scrap the plan altogether? Something along the lines of Radfield's, so that every player knows what they're doing because they know their number. By keeping our numbers to ourselves, no player knows what another player is doing. The exception here is if it is deemed worthwhile for part of the final algorithm to announce in certain cases (so that we know the identity of some roles, i.g. CV). However, if we keep the numbers secret then we can rid ourselves of the obfuscation of the RNG and instead use a deterministic algorithm (i.e. Player 1 pick X, player 2 pick Y, etc) -- and in this case, there will be a maximum of M collisions (in the case where M mafia members steal a role). So if we go with the weighted system approach (i.e. 50% chance to pick this, 50% to pick that) then we'd need to make sure the expected number of collisions is less than M (whatever M may be).
*stares blankly*
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On August 22 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote:
What Radfield said - there isn't really a benefit to having public numbers that I can think of, and it just makes it more likely scum knows my role if the number I chose is forced to pick a role (thus mafia knows to bump me off if I get a good one).
I am not trying to be uncooperative, I just don't agree with the plan. Still failing to see why Pandain/BM are casting FoS on me.
Not anymore. And I really didn't have one on you, just copy pasted that on it. I don't agree with public numbers either anymore(or at least see the potential dangers.)
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On August 22 2010 11:17 citi.zen wrote:
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
I think if we are going to do the public number things via the sign up list, we should not(as I would be CV and be lynched, never being able to be mason) :p
However that already seems to have been discarded, so I still think we should roleblock the CV if we don't have a good lynch target. (Future reference I was the one who brought that up). However that still means we'd have to add that in to the algorithim.
So I am against lynching the CV
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[QUOTE]On August 21 2010 20:32 Radfield wrote:
#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
So we take the three most dangerous roles as the first 3 picks. We use Comp Vig as the double lynch, we use Bad Santa solely for it's investigative powers, and not it's KP. Prince of Darkness never gets used. If Prince of Darkness gets used, then we have a sure-fire lynch. If extra KP from the bad santa is getting used(which should be obvious since we should never have 4 deaths in a night if the Joat holds his shot appropriately), then we lynch the bad santa. Either way though, this keeps vital mafia roles in known hands.
#4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose)
#11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#13-16 we prioritize tracker and the rest of the pro-town roles
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other
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Me thinks we should be expanding on this now that we have a list going. I'm starting to think we should definitely have copy cat in there( as what happens if no one picks doctor. We will need to have a doctor yet theres not much gurantee that a townie will pick it.We need to have more % weighted towards doctor me thinks.
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*sigh fail* Oh well you can tell what Radfield wrote.
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On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head.
Hmm.... it doesn't matter if the mafia doesn't have any wiggle room if they already got people near the top. That's the problem.
If mafia manage to take the roles we need while denying us essential roles, then we're going to lose.
This is better since it makes it so mafia don't know for certain that they're going to get the first picks.
Also, I'm still a bit concerned with the current plan and this needs to be adressed. I feel there is too less a chance for there being no doctors. Right now under the current plan theres only like 1/8 chance that it'll be picked, and that is under "YOU CHOOSE" anyway. So we shouldn't have it be definitely doctor so here's my slight adaption. At the same time, doctors are very important so I was thinking of taking away from the 5-9 (roughly) and have it still be 50% a defensive role, but minus the meth man. Than have
14: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor.
15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor
16. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each)
17. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each)
If we don't have any doctors(and the current plan makes that highly likely), then town is going to be hard pressed, as well as being unable to protect vital roles. For example, what if mafia kills comp vigi, and they have their own copy cat. Since we probably won't have doctors, this means they will get their own comp vigi.
In addition, this means if the odds go against us and we don't have a doctor, and a vital role such as PoD is killed, we will know the liklihood of who is the mafia copycat.
Why bad santa? So then theres a 50% chance of wasting a hit on a vanilla.
In addition, this helps make copy cat more likely.
Potential Problems: Allows mafia to sneak in bad santa there. However, then we can just lynch whoever was supposed to be bad santa.
Any thoughts?
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#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose)
#11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor.
#14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor
#15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each)
#16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each)
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other
The draft as of now.
However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions?
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On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 07:11 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote:
#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose)
#11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role
#13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor.
#14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor
#15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each)
#16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each)
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other
The draft as of now.
However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions?
not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power. Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out.
The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit.
On August 23 2010 07:43 LSB wrote:
I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no?
Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers?
People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same
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On August 23 2010 08:16 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote:On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? 2:1 Opz dies before Bill. Any takers?
I'm puting my money on that Opz is a serial killer and will kill Bill night 1.
And opz, you will follow that plan or give reasons why you won't.
Or we shall castrate you.
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote:
cool kids plan
I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay.
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On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote:
If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia?
Again, this means that role cop and bullet bill will become incredibly powerful, able to find mafia just by checking roles/ if they have a gun. (As Mafia willl have taken non-designated roles or kp roles)
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If I do get the chance to get mason, any tips before I do rolepickk.
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote:
#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 33% comp vig, 33% bad santa, 33% prince of darkness
#5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.)
#15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other
Same
Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are:
Floridian
God Father
Role Blocker
Pardoner
Vengeful Player
Day Vig
Traitor
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On August 23 2010 10:21 SiNiquity wrote:
Could someone clarify Bad Santa for me, or confirm that my interpretation is correct? <3
Yes, it is correct.
Also, now what?
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Fadoodle me. 19th LOL.
Oh well, at least this means I can be mason.
Secret Friendship Alliance...activated!
Also, how do you RNG? Just flip a coin or is it like a computer thing?
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Before I clicked "more random numbers", I said to myself I would actually go with whatever it decided.
So despite the fact I kept on saying "I'm gonna be mason" I will only do so if it lays within 6-10. Sending in my role.
Also, Citizen, are you saying that all the SK has to do is kill the bullet bill and then he can go safely? (besides role cop at first) Just want to know what your saying before I respond.
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Frick I had gotten mason too > .
Time to repick... 5-10 here we go!
Also, Opz is very likely serial killer as he seems to be disregarding the plan without too much reasons as to why. Doubt he's mafia though(wouldn't be this outright defiant.)
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On August 24 2010 07:38 SiNiquity wrote:
Also, Pandain could you post your number? I'm wondering if the updated list is correct. <3
I actually switched mine and had 9,7
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