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On August 07 2010 01:08 rastaban wrote:
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Well he can't hit tonight so we don't have to worry about it for now. I would prefer they claim while they have their shot, and then we use it to verify them if their are counter claims. If we wait until after they shoot then we can use this plan until day/night 3
If we just have them claim tomorrow then they can shoot the other claimant that night or if it isn't counter claimed we enact the plan.
we cannot do this before they shoot because then they WILL be roleblocked, because it could save a mafia and it makes the vig unable to confirm himself LOL, plan screwed
^---From Divinek
If bus driver drives the vigi then he can't be roleblocked, the person on the other end would be roleblocked, problem semi solved?
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I think he's trying a new play style -_-
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Q2Rastaban's plan. Shouldn't rastaban see the obvious hole if the Godfather claims?
It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant.
The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night
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I don’t get this. How can we assume 1 vig?
If there is 1 vig, and he claims. The Mafia has no reason to claim.
If there is 2+ vigs, and they both claim. The Mafia has no reason to claim, as we’d kill both of the vigs.
To me, this plan sounds really really really bad to the town. I don’t get what’s good about this plan, can someone explain it to me? We get a confirmed townie. Aren’t their better ways of doing this?
To me it sounds like a plan meant to fail.
If two vigi claim it's not like we're going to lynch them then and there, we wait till they put their kills in. Also, if there are two vigi, I don't think both will claim, as soon as the first one claims, the second one will stay quiet cause there's no need to add two to the table. If the kill goes through then we're getting somewhere, if the kill doesn't then we'll have to look at the situation and see what's up. This is assuming before-Night claim. If it's an after-Night claim then it's a simple claim/counter claim situation
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On August 07 2010 10:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 10:41 chaoser wrote:Q2Rastaban's plan. Shouldn't rastaban see the obvious hole if the Godfather claims?
It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night Vig can't kill night one
We're not saying claim today/tonight, we're saying claim day 2/day 3
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On August 07 2010 10:47 LSB wrote:
Gahh.
My post above should have read
Okay, what's stopping the Mafia from doublestacking someone the* day a person claims Vig? So at night, there's* only going to be 3 dead*?
There isn't any if it's a before-Night claim but at least at that point Mafia will be self restricting themselves, making their own KP 2, if real vigi claims. The plan doesn't go forward until it's 100% sure the vigi is the real vigi. Either way it's good for town. If it's an after-Night claim then this isn't a problem. Right now this plan is on the back burner cause it'll take a while before it comes into play (either on day 2 or on day 3). Pandain's plan of tracker/watcher should be discussed though cause if fleshed out, we could get lots of information from it and in the best case scenario, we get a blue circle up with two blue roles.
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Also, Principals can't be tracked either. And then there's this:
Innocent Stalker (Nosy Neighbor)
You love visiting other people at night! Except for that you don't actually go in the house. You kind of just lurk around outside. Unfortunately, you also don't plan ahead so when you wander out of your domicile at night, you go someplace random! Every night, you will visit another person; I will RNG the number of the person you are to visit, but you will not know that you visited that person. You will not visit the same person two nights in a row. You will not be told that you are an Innocent Stalker.
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Lazy Stalker (Watcher)
Unlike that cousin of yours, the Active Stalker, you enjoy being more slothful. You sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day, and thus you have become an insomniac. Since you are too lazy to go outside, you instead use your use of technology to watch people! Once per night, you may set up cameras outside somebody's domicile. You will be notified at the start of the next day by PM of all persons, if any, visiting said domicile last night. However, technology is inferior to the might of the Ninja, so you will not be able to see them visiting! If you watch somebody who is a target of the Mafia, you will be told who sent in that night's kill list.
Mafia wouldn't even dare hit the person we decide to watch, that's an easy mafia found right there. Wow lol
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On August 07 2010 11:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Lazy Stalker (Watcher)
Unlike that cousin of yours, the Active Stalker, you enjoy being more slothful. You sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day, and thus you have become an insomniac. Since you are too lazy to go outside, you instead use your use of technology to watch people! Once per night, you may set up cameras outside somebody's domicile. You will be notified at the start of the next day by PM of all persons, if any, visiting said domicile last night. However, technology is inferior to the might of the Ninja, so you will not be able to see them visiting! If you watch somebody who is a target of the Mafia, you will be told who sent in that night's kill list. Mafia wouldn't even dare hit the person we decide to watch, that's an easy mafia found right there. Wow lol
quoting myself to get to top of new page
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We can always do the bus driver trick to keep someone alive and if we stack med proc then they might be safe.
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On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:32 Pandain wrote:Still, as of right now I think my plan is basically 100% foolproof. The only real thing that can mess this up is if a nosy neighbor comes in, and that's 1/30 chance. So right now, this is the best thing we've got. So I highly urge all of you to unvote Bill Murray this instant. Right now, yes, right now. Don't keep reading this, go right now and do it. + Show Spoiler +Why haven't you done it yet? Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible.
Why did it get more iffy if GF can't be tracked? The watcher will still see the tracker visit and the mafia would have to waste a roleblocker/framer and do it on their own GF so that it's not just one person visiting.
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On August 07 2010 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:32 Pandain wrote:Still, as of right now I think my plan is basically 100% foolproof. The only real thing that can mess this up is if a nosy neighbor comes in, and that's 1/30 chance. So right now, this is the best thing we've got. So I highly urge all of you to unvote Bill Murray this instant. Right now, yes, right now. Don't keep reading this, go right now and do it. + Show Spoiler +Why haven't you done it yet? Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible. If godfather cannot be tracked, than we know he is GF and lynch him. WE got a certain GF than. Otherwise, without that knowledge there is just as great a chance you are lynching a blue. Plus, my plan revolves around BM claiming blue. Without him, than we still won't have a circle if mafia fakes as a tracker. GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later.
even if they can't be tracked, watcher still sees tracker and if it's just the two then it's all gravy
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vets can't visit anyone else so i guess they can't be tracked?
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On August 07 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote:
vets can't visit anyone else so i guess they can't be tracked?
I can't believe this is my 1000th post ;_;
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On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.
How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?
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So are we doing the simple one first or the more complex one first?
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On August 08 2010 00:09 XeliN wrote:
I'm not comfortable with the way Chaoser has jumped into the voting thread and bandwagoned a vote on someone who is already liable to be lynched.
Ignoring my feelings on Bill, although as i've said he doesn't strike me as mafia, I'm quite suspicious of such behaviour and as such will striking down against Chaoser with great vengeance and furious anger.
Liable to change ofc.
lawl, how was I bandwagoning a vote? I was on love1another's vote and when I saw a massive influx of people voting for him (3), I decided to change over to BM to keep the votes close together (love1another-6, BM-5) so that if BM is mafia then more mafia would need to jump ship in order to save him. You talk about bandwagoning and yet you say nothing about the people who just suddenly voted for love1another.
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In danger of modkill (need to vote) (4)
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Chezinu
Iaaan
VayeshMoru
I'd just like to point out infundibulum. I don't remember if he posted or not but being on the modkill list is kinda weird for him since he's played a lot isn't it? Maybe he's just busy but I view him as a veteran player and thus should be contributing more if he isn't busy.
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love1another is leading the vote count like crazy...up 3 votes i think
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EPT
