TL Mafia XXVIII

On August 01 2010 11:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I still think Misder and BC were working together. Even if he is town, he says he's gonna be mostly gone which gives town one less vote. Also, if Misder's red it was BrownBear's switch that saved him.

#vote Misder

On August 01 2010 13:00 Divinek wrote:

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hm i see, i missed like half of that before cause i was reading through the thread too fast. I tend to agree with it for the most part though it could use more original input as a conclusion of all the facts or something but whatever.

I'm pissed misder didnt die yesterday, and somehow tree hugger ended up dying while i was unable to get on and apparently so was he

##vote Misder

for now, or until townie people can come forth with better candidates. I will miss young's activity even if it was fueled by a fair amount of blind rage

whichever comes first, though it can be hard to wrap your mind around when for now will come but yeahhh it will

On August 01 2010 14:32 Tricode wrote:
##Vote Rastaban

He knew BC was going to die so I think he just added crap to keep him/her self alive and suspicion off him as if he/she were a good towny and made a lame ass fake post with fake messages.

The writing just doesn't seem like BC from how long I have known him. They lack his intellectual language and there are just some things I just never seen him write.

Though there is still a chance i could be wrong about this, either case I believe those pm's are fake and the time in which he tried to help get BC killed didn't really do much of a push to get BC killed.

On August 01 2010 17:23 Misder wrote:
It was me who is the least active, but now, it seems like there are others as inactive as me.

I'm just gonna continue to vote for rastaban. I still believe that BC is smart enough to create a fake pm for the mafia group in order to get rid of any suspicion of a mafia member.

#Vote rastaban

On August 02 2010 04:30 ~OpZ~ wrote:

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...And you could be protecting Misder to keep the mafia KP at two.

...Also...

##Vote Abstain
I have to work. And I'm waiting on some things. Let's see where this goes...

On August 02 2010 05:19 Protactinium wrote:
Also:

##Vote: Abstain

for now. I'm starting to get tired of there being so little inactivity in this thread. Because of that, I'm going to leave this thread now and not come back for a good period of time, and I'm liable to forget to vote otherwise. Please start talking, people. You'd think that with five days and nights gone by we'd have more to work off of...

On August 02 2010 06:03 BrownBear wrote:
lol you guys.

##Vote: Misder

For now, at least. Also, where is d3? Haven't seen him in forever.

On August 02 2010 06:03 BrownBear wrote:
D'oh.

##Unvote: Misder
##Vote: Abstain

Was on autopilot, my mind was thinking about Misder... yeah. I are dumb :/

On August 02 2010 07:58 d3_crescentia wrote:
What is this abstaining shit?

##vote: Misder##

On August 02 2010 14:25 BrownBear wrote:
Posting part of my notepad document on this game:

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ROLES STILL ALIVE
10 Total
Scum:
3 vanilla scum
Town:
2 vets
Vig (Tricode)
4 vanilla town

WHAT I KNOW

So here's town list:
Townie:
BrownBear (I am green)
d3 (claimed survived nighthit, forget if it was confirmed)
Tricode (vigi)
Divinek (claimed vet)

Still 3 town and 3 scum out there, off of this list:

chaoser
rastaban
Opz
Misder
Pyrrholuxia
Protactinium

Of these:
chaoser is still scummy. BC did hate on him, though.
rastaban is likely town unless BC pulled some epic mindgame shit.
Opz is ?
Misder is FUCKING INACTIVE JESUS CHRIST
Pyrr is scummy, IMO. Weird voting patterns, weird posting patterns... I dunno.
Protact has been way more town-aligned recently, but still could be mafioso trying to gain town's trust.

So essentially, WHAT THE FUCK WHERE'S ALL OUR INFORMATION.

My ideas:

The BC-South trail goes cold... at rastaban. If it wasn't LYLO I'd push for rasta's lynch just to see what info that digs up.
Other than that, maybe Pyrr or chaoser? I don't like the "HAY GUYS LYNCH MISDER HE'S INACTIVE"

So, in the interest of getting chaoser to post (I want to see the big huge thing he promised a little while back)...

##Vote: chaoser

Again, possibly just a temporary thing to see how he reacts. Possibly a permanent thing if he doesn't react or reacts scummy.

On August 02 2010 14:28 Divinek wrote:
we should lynch pyrr just because, isnt that solid well thought out reasoning

##unvote
##vote pyrr

i hope that vote is clear enough for you mr bm

On August 02 2010 22:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Vote: Pyrr

You being alive is an enigma in itself....

On August 02 2010 23:46 rastaban wrote:
Vote: Chaoser

Reason incoming, I have to make a couple calls but will have it up shortly after.

On August 03 2010 04:19 d3_crescentia wrote:

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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote:

On August 02 2010 14:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Out of 3 reds we have two on citizen and one on SR. So how do you get so full blown sure the rest of the mafia voted citizen? The mafia can sit back and change their vote whenever they want and we already know one voted to bus that day. I still think the mutual support between Misder / BC is the best case.

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~~citi.zen (12)~~
SouthRawrea
tree.hugger
Amber[Light]
BloodyCobbler
Pandain
Chaoser
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
Rastaban
Infudibulum
BrownBear
Divinek

SouthRawrea (8)
Tricode
Xelin
bumatlarge
~~citi.zen (12)~~
zeks
lakrismamma
SiNiquity

Abstain (2)
Opz
~~Subversion~~

Opz (1)
d3_crescentia

Pyrrhuloxia (1)
Misder

Protactinium (1)
LaXerCannon

We can almost gaurantee that the rest of the mafia voted citi.zen because otherwise, SouthRawrea would have been every close to being lynched. Anyways, everyone that voted for SouthRawrea is confirmed already. The only people that didn't vote for citi.zen or SouthRawrea are ~Opz~, Subversion, d3, Misder, and LaXerCannon. These are the hardest to figure out in the vote. However, Subversion is dead confirmed detective, LaXerCannon is dead confirmed miller. The only other people are ~Opz~, d3, and Misder. d3 is most likely town aligned (why is this really? All he did was claim medic protection. That doesn't mean his is town aligned, just that he was saved... why does this make him a townie?). So who's left in the didn't vote for either is ~Opz~ and Misder. ~Opz~ abstained; I don't recall the reasoning on this one and I can't find his post where he voted abstain...did he even vote? (also, as I was looking through his posts, he pointed out that Xelin may be mafia). Misder was out the entire day and he voted based on DTA's request the previous day.

I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia.

It makes me a townie because I got saved Night 1, when no Vigis could shoot and Mafia can't kill each other at all. Unless you believe that Foolishness got double-stacked and this is an elaborate ploy.

@rastaban your post sort of summarized what I was going to say in a different post.

Let's be blunt here - abstaining at this point in time is bullshit.

Thinking:
##vote: chaoser

On August 03 2010 05:45 Protactinium wrote:
At least there are more pages to read now.

I'm typing up one of my long posts, and it's going to take me an hour or two...

For now though, I'm going to

##Vote: Pyrrhuloxia

I'm somewhat baffled that he has stayed alive this long. Through this game Mafia have wanted to kill big names early on to prevent town unity. The fact that Pyrrhuloxia remains alive is thus slightly intriguing, but it could be another layer of WiFOM.

However, please do note that I am suspicious of Chaoser. He posted more than 24 hours saying he would be back, and if he's on the east coast it's almost 5:00 p.m. I just don't want to vote for him now since that'd place him very close to majority.

Typing longer post.

On August 03 2010 05:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
##vote Chaoser

On August 03 2010 07:26 Misder wrote:
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On August 03 2010 04:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:

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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote:

On August 02 2010 14:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Out of 3 reds we have two on citizen and one on SR. So how do you get so full blown sure the rest of the mafia voted citizen? The mafia can sit back and change their vote whenever they want and we already know one voted to bus that day. I still think the mutual support between Misder / BC is the best case.

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~~citi.zen (12)~~
SouthRawrea
tree.hugger
Amber[Light]
BloodyCobbler
Pandain
Chaoser
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
Rastaban
Infudibulum
BrownBear
Divinek

SouthRawrea (8)
Tricode
Xelin
bumatlarge
~~citi.zen (12)~~
zeks
lakrismamma
SiNiquity

Abstain (2)
Opz
~~Subversion~~

Opz (1)
d3_crescentia

Pyrrhuloxia (1)
Misder

Protactinium (1)
LaXerCannon

We can almost gaurantee that the rest of the mafia voted citi.zen because otherwise, SouthRawrea would have been every close to being lynched. Anyways, everyone that voted for SouthRawrea is confirmed already. The only people that didn't vote for citi.zen or SouthRawrea are ~Opz~, Subversion, d3, Misder, and LaXerCannon. These are the hardest to figure out in the vote. However, Subversion is dead confirmed detective, LaXerCannon is dead confirmed miller. The only other people are ~Opz~, d3, and Misder. d3 is most likely town aligned (why is this really? All he did was claim medic protection. That doesn't mean his is town aligned, just that he was saved... why does this make him a townie?). So who's left in the didn't vote for either is ~Opz~ and Misder. ~Opz~ abstained; I don't recall the reasoning on this one and I can't find his post where he voted abstain...did he even vote? (also, as I was looking through his posts, he pointed out that Xelin may be mafia). Misder was out the entire day and he voted based on DTA's request the previous day.

I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia.

D3 had to of been hit by mafia. Stop throwing suspicion onto him. Tricode had ONE hit. He used it on BC. So d3 was med procted by roffles of sinquity. D3 is Town aligned, and you are most likely mafia or can't understand that mafia never stack hits day one. They only stack when they KNOW they are going to hit someone that is important. Hate to break it to you. Anyway, I'm more certain about some things now.

Everyone, check your PMs. Upper left corner.

I'm not throwing suspicion on d3, I was just wondering. Thats why I said that he was town aligned as the consensus, and I just wanted to know why.

I got a PM from Pandain? Is that of importance?

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On August 03 2010 05:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

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You made a post recounting almost everything Foolishness said, leaving out his suspicions and ultimate vote for BC. Plus you didn't vote for him Day 4. Plus BC tried to establish you and zeks as innocent, except (unlike Zeks) people had a lot of reasons to be suspicious of you already and called out BC for calling you likely green.

I thought I went through every single post that day. I'm sorry I didn't get everything. citi,zen already corrected me on my mistake; i get it. I wasn't the only one who didn't vote for BC. And even BB said that he almost didn't vote for him even after being very very against him. No one was suspicious of me until like 2 days ago... BC called zeks innocent. Just look at that. BC didn't know that zeks was the mad hatter that time. But hes a smart mafia player. If we had lynched BC before, we would have wasted a double lynch on lyching zeks the mad hatter and me the townie.

Anyways, I'm taking my vote off of rastaban. My original suspicion was based on BC-rastaban pms an that I thought that BC made up a PM list for rastaban to send. But now that I think about it, it really does seem like rastaban is just a puppet. Its still smart on BC's part, and rastaban is making good analysis on chaoser, which I agree with. And the story fits in the overall picture.

##Unvote rastaban
##Vote pyrr

Im voting for pyrr for four reasons. 1. his push on lynching DTA. It was he who started the bandwagon. People already was suspicious of DTA of his weird behavior, but it wasn't like he seemed mafia like. pyrr the mafia knew this, and it was a simple way to lynch a veteran (as in plays the game mafia a lot) without being suspicious. 2. DTA said to lynch him. 3. He himself is a veteran (at the game). He was kind of invisible throughout the game besides the lynching of DTA. 4. His voting sequence has been DTA, DTA, citi.zen, Pandain, Misder. 3 of these are dead townies, and I know I am a townie.

On August 03 2010 07:30 chaoser wrote:
##abstain

I'll try to answer every question that comes my way but i really DO need to shower now lol

On August 03 2010 08:44 Protactinium wrote:

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On August 03 2010 07:11 chaoser wrote:

On August 03 2010 06:19 Protactinium wrote:
One thing I want to bring up:

Click here.

In case we've all forgotten, the scene where SouthRawrea claimed he was the Mad Hatter and had a single bomb... on Chaoser. Chaoser said he was all too willing to die to prove his innocence, but we know that SouthRawrea was, in fact, not the bomber, so Chaoser was never really in any danger, and would definitely have looked much better once SouthRawrea flipped red...

I actually don't know how to respond to this. It's a conceivable plan to make me out to be more innocent after he flipped red if I was actually red but at that point I think I was just getting sick of youngminii getting on my back and I wanted to die so youngminii would lose the bet or something. Actually, I think I made that bet later. I think at the time I was willing to die with south cause he was counterclaiming citizen and it was just so out of the blue and his post when he first claimed was really scummy to me.

so 1) If he was scum, I was still safe
2) If he wasn't I get to die and get youngminii off my back

But then he claimed newbie and after a while tree.hugger was like I'm convinced and I started having doubts and since I've been in contact with him for a while and thought he was in a circle. When BC or whoever started to say that we get more info out of killing citizen, the argument made some sense to me and since earlier BC had claimed he got hit and saved, I was thinking the only way mafia could get a HUGE advantage off this is if BC was GF and there's no fucking way he'd be that lucky to get hit and saved AND be GF at the same time I trusted him. Turns out I was wrong. At this point I think I switched to citizen.

I'm really not the type of player to get involved in super complex plans where I would do things to gain "innocence" for the town and then somehow take a leading role or even just hid. If you've seen my old games, most of the time I'm in the background either PMing people just asking for their opinions on people cause I feel like that's a decent way to get info and also trying to figure situations out so that it's not confusing to me or town. The one time I was mafia I think it was with pyrr and chenizu and I played martyr like crazy and when I went down in the end town was so confused they ended up losing. Pyrr on the other hand played a crazy good infil and basically had a list of all the blues by day 3 or 4 and we pretty much just picked them off at will.

I went back and read some of your past games and you seem right... but then you have been town. Just because you say you're not the type of player who does these kinds of mental games doesn't mean it can't happen; WiFOM remember? Also, if you were part of the Mafia team you wouldn't have to have worried about it, since it seems like everything was orchestrated by BloodyC0bbler. I don't doubt the youngminii thing since he was going after you hard, but it does seem like a very convenient thing to say...

I'm still not very convinced, sorry.

##Vote: Chaoser

I will be back later to check. This isn't final, but I do want you to talk more.

Also: where is BrownBear? He said he'd be back to listen to Chaoser but I haven't seen him in a while.

On August 03 2010 08:49 Protactinium wrote:
No, I just realized that was the fifth vote on Chaoser.

##Vote: BrownBear

until he comes back to do some talking.

On August 03 2010 09:06 Protactinium wrote:

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To be honest, that's all just semantics.

But if it makes you happy, good sir.

##Unvote: Chaoser
##Vote: BrownBear

On August 03 2010 09:27 chaoser wrote:
##Vote: Pyrrhuloxia

Let's tie this up and see what mafia do

On August 03 2010 09:32 chaoser wrote:

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##unvote pyrr

On August 03 2010 10:02 Divinek wrote:
so day ends at 10:38 according to 24 hours after bms post so in the interest of throwing a vote around

##unvote
##vote brownbear

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