TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 2

On July 22 2010 02:22 BrownBear wrote:
DarthThienAn is playing this game as though he were Chezinu... which is not the way DarthThienAn plays at all. I think Pyrrhuloxia (why does everyone in this game have impossible to spell names) has the best explanation, and says things I was thinking on my own - Darth is playing as though he were Village Idiot, and for some reason that's given him Teflon armor against suspicion for the most part - there have been scattered people saying "Hey, wait a minute" but nobody's really listening, everyone is obsessed over Chaoser/Subversion/me.

As far as those 3...

I know I am green, but you guys are going to have to decide whether you believe me or not. Subversion's "mistake" isn't even a mistake at all, and you guys all jumped in and tried to create something out of it - not really the direction town should be going in. Chaoser I still find slightly suspicious, but he's been pretty willing to post and to defend himself - as long as he clarifies a few of his contradictions, I'd be okay with not lynching him. He might be a good target for rolecheck tonight, though. I dunno.

For now,
##Unvote Abstain
##Vote: DarthThienAn

Because he is the most suspicious, I think abstaining should only be used as a placeholder, and we're running out of time in this day. Plus, his death will give us at least some information, which is still better than the next-to-no information we would get from lynching subversion, chaoser, or me.

On July 22 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
An infundibulum (Latin for funnel; plural, infundibula) is a funnel-shape cavity or organ.

On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote:


"day ends in under 5 1/2 hours"

How is that too late?


How does my play style not make sense? If you look at all of my posts collectively, you'll realize that I have actually said a decent amount. Nothing compared of my previous games, but contrast it to Subversion, who hardly said anything until like 18 hours ago. I don't even know what the deal with chaoser is, but Day 1, he was one of those last minute voters, iirc., and Day 2, he mostly made lists, which help the town by organizing information, but does not actually offer any insight. Nothing against him though, since I haven't read the recent posts.


Think of it this way: do any of those actions "make sense" if I'm mafia? Why would I attract attention to myself so unnecessarily, and then not defend myself if I'm actually lurking? "The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content." I did have content. Has anyone bothered to look through my posts? And I personally don't use vote analysis too heavily -> most of my votes have been for fun. My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games.

7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)

everyone voted!

iNfuNdiBuLuM

On July 22 2010 09:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

You should put who was first to 7 if there is a tie at the top.

8] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn)
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
6] chaoser ( youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)

everyone voted!

iNfuNdiBuLuM

*7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn)
6] chaoser ( youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)

everyone voted!

iNfuNdiBuLuM

On July 22 2010 10:00 Divinek wrote:
you have a 1 beside amber when it should be 2 and you spelled my name wrong

On July 22 2010 10:00 SiNiquity wrote:
You've got 7 people on Subversion but the tally at 8.

On July 22 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:

no more celine dion or face modkill

On July 22 2010 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
rastaban, stop it, you have divinek twice. i can do my job.

On July 22 2010 10:21 DarthThienAn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
yea you did. See BB and Amber.

On July 22 2010 10:09 Bill Murray wrote:


not voting:

double lynch:

On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote:
Also, I don't know what wifom means

On July 22 2010 00:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Rastaban (and others), to clarify my double lynch vote: it's a bet that after tonights actions we will have more than 1 target on the next day. In my experience Days 3 or 4 are the best time to start the double lynch (which means for Day 3 we vote for double lynch on Day 2, etc). I don't like waiting until Day 5 for double lynch because too many townies can die by that time and it makes it harder to use one of our most dangerous weapons against the mafia. If you guys aren't voting for it today, you should strongly consider voting for it tomorrow.

Re: DTA -

I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one.



It's "Infundibulum."

On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote:

I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful.

I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape.

Comments?

On July 24 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote:


If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right?

On July 24 2010 02:11 Amber[LighT] wrote:


It's a dead end though. Once we lynch Tricode that only gives us a hint of who BC is, depending on the flip. BC will not be confirmed 100% from lynching Tricode, and then from there we don't have a lot of connections. BC wasn't really involved with much other than a few posts about the bandwagons and BrownBears plan.

I think we should just avoid them and go for players like Youngminii or Subversion.

On July 24 2010 03:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Vote Count:



Abstain:


Double Lynch:

With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day.

On July 24 2010 08:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I am glad to see that today has been a lot more reasonable than the previous two days. I believe that the whole topic of myself/tricode will continue to be discussed, but I am glad at the logical conclusions thus far. However, the town also has to discuss places to begin for lynch targets. As a player who has been in a lot of mafia games, and well didn’t think I would have to outline something like this, I shall.

To begin with (ignore the fact its day 3 for the moment). Hosts will RNG roles and typically tweak the player list slightly. (making sure a group of first time players isn’t red vs a group of experienced players for instance). Some hosts will openly admit to doing this, some hosts will deny it. The truth of the matter is, every host does it. Be it by RNGing a role again, to physically swapping someones roles. (chuiu is exempt from this generalization as I know he didn’t).

Now, everyone would tweak things the same way, but I will do a briefly outline of how I would do it if I were a host.

Well known experienced players. (see names like ver, qatol, ace, caller, L, bloodyc0bbler, incognito, flamewheel, foolishness, etc…)

Basically players who have a lot of experience.

Not as well known experienced players (see names such as infundibulum, amber[light], opz, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, d3, zeks)

Rising stars (see names such as youngminii, DTA, Korynee, etc..)

Completely new players (everyone else)

Now, at this point, in the case of very few well known experienced players, they typically will be given town roles (note, usually townie, or non major blue) as they can help create order, and teach new players, or help guide the flow of things. In the case of many, usually a small group is placed in red as to compete against those who are town.

In the case of a small group however, the mafia breakup is that of usually rising stars, or people who are experienced but can easily defend themselves in a pinch but rarely recognized to the general public. New players will be split among both groups as they need experience in every role still.

Now, as a player, as well as a host, part of my playing style always includes looking at how someone may have balanced the game. note everyone does it differently so the way I would do things is not the same as any other host .
It does however give me a starting ground on how to start scum hunting.

In a game of this format, and even more specifically this game. I see of well known names most people would recognize as Myself, Citizen, and foolishness. We have all played in a fair amount of games and most new players at this point will most likely hear of our names quickly, read it in the thread, etc…
We will usually be instantly distrustful of each other and be a balancing issue if we are town/red as we at our core will take longer to trust someone who is forced into a form of spotlight regardless of wanting to be there.
Note: Pyrr isn’t included in this list as he may not be as well known after a large large break from mafia.

We then have a large group of experienced players who aren’t as well known, but have played in many many games. They make up the core of the players this game.

We have a few rising stars, and a smaller group of new players.


To begin with scum hunting I would look at the list of the big 3 and realize that either 1 or none of us are red. The possibility of there being one however is what keeps us wary of eachother all game.

Of the rising stars, I would say most likely with such a low count of them this game, also 1. As they would be expected to compete for top spot this game.

Of the newer players, most likely 1-2. As their role doesn’t matter as much as they have to learn from square one regardless.

Rest of the roles would be made up of people from the experienced group. Now, from there you have a general idea of lists breakups.

List of 3 (or 4 if you count pyrr) names where 0-1 is red
Foolishness, bloodyc0bbler, citizen (pyrr)

A list of 2 where most likely 0-1 is red. Where 1 is more likely.
DTA, Youngminii

A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red
Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium

Then everyone else to make up the last 2-4 red.

From this you have a generalized standpoint of where to start looking. And with those lists in mind you look at posting histories, styles, voting patterns and the like to best narrow down the red on that respective list. Once a # of reds has been found off a list of grouped players, you can generally ignore it briefly. (note some hosts may not do it as I have laid out, but this is merely a starting format to work from).

People will make slipups, imply or reveal they are working with so and so and one flips red then the other does, etc…
It however gives everyone a generalized place to start and begin to try and narrow reds down as it puts the chances of nailing one earlier on higher than others.


With all this in mind, I will be going back over the thread and analyzing people. Expect another large post in the next few hours.