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On July 06 2010 15:42 Bill Murray wrote: if i was dt i would check ace/bc/yellowink tonight hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer. if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying Whoa, where did this come from? Jailer should protect zeks, though he can choose the thorny path of wifom and try to protect one of the lover claims. Going out to eat lunch soon but I'll try to give my current opinions about this game within several hours. | ||
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Ace Roleblocks DCLXVI (Ace writes "DCLXVI" as his death post) youngminii Claims DT, citi.zen is GF. Originally went for mass roleclaim but reversed his position when YellowInk criticized him. citi.zen Counter-claims DT, claims to have gotten townie claim on both BM and L. Not possible since DT check is only allowed at start of N2. Point of interest: incriminating post comes at 11:43, citizen points this out at 11:44 Bill Murray Claims jailkeeper, jailed Hesmyrr for n1 and n2. Attacks YellowInk and youngminii. Later on claims to not have known citi.zen's contradiction. YellowInk On July 07 2010 13:13 YellowInk wrote: The town plan in summary: Do not roleclaim Lynch citi.zen Roleblock youngminii Jail youngminii No coroner usage Detectives spy on whomever you think is most likely to be godfather besides citi.zen ** Mad Hatter bomb Bill Murray Ignore Bill Murray's posts Scratch your head at Chezinu Smile if you're town, this game is probably about to end in victory ** This is because we want to plan for our worst case scenario - the 10% I alluded to earlier. If youngminii is playing us and he is in cahoots with citi.zen, we're still on godfather hunt. If citi.zen is really the godfather, we practically can't lose.+ Show Spoiler [Why we can't lose] + youngminii will get to keep getting to DT people and the mafia won't be able to target their hits effectively. After 2-3 nights following, if he hasn't found any scum, youngminii will give us a list of confirmed townies that he'll reveal which will ensure our victory even if he gets killed. We'll be able to mop up with a double lynch endgame. All of this is even assuming we have no other roles in the game besides 1 jailer and youngminii as our DT. I'm sure we have much more than this. Divinek-Abenson is confirmed Lovers. With death of Traitor, zek is highly likely to be confirmed mason. My opinion on all of the claims Ace blocked DCLXVI but there was NK, so only way DCLXVI can be anti-town is if he: 1) was recruited night two, 2) is Godfather. Of course though both possibilities are slim they should not be discounted. More concrete thing I want to mention is that Roleblocker is dead. So we should not make and push for a plan that fundementally depends on Roleblocker, pointing this out because I saw disturbing amount of posts speaking about roleblock after day three post. Now let's get to the meat of the matter. Some people already have pointed out several possibilities regarding youngminii-citi.zen debacle: 1) youngminii is DT, citi.zen is Godfather. 2) youngminii is Mafia, citi.zen is Mafia. I am keeping this possibility open because for being an Godfather, citi.zen seemed to be surprisingly amenable to surrendering once his "jig" was up. Don't know, I think he went down too quickly and conveniently instead of fighting with claws and teeth. 3) youngminii is Godfather, citi.zen is Mafia. This I find much less likely than second possibility b/c mafia does not know who the Godfather is and will truly believe he is DT. Also fakeclaiming DT might bring unnecessary spotlight he exactly would not want, I think. I mean if he is fake DT real DT will be investigating him immediately upcoming night. citi.zen cannot be PR or Townie because he first fakeclaimed, and when its logical inconsistency was pointed out citi.zen admitted he was lying and gave up; also eliminating idea that he wasd angry green lying to kill fake claimer. As regards to Bill Murray, if there is any real Jailkeeper which DID NOT start out as Dream Catcher, please counter claim. In absense of counterclaim there are only two probabilities: 1) Bill Murray is jailer and he is indeed being horrible Townie, and 2) Bill Murray was jailer but recruited. I glanced over YellowInk's post and it seems pretty solid for now besides second scenario, I'll try to think of a plan to improve situation for all contingencies, I hope all of you others do it too. I am voting for citi.zen. | ||
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It's a long shot, but throwing it out here. So if there really is coroner... speak out now? | ||
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@Abenson: How is YellowInk's post useful? Only thing he did was lump Bill Murray's post together and offer no complete insight about it at all. Also, since BM did not turn out to be jail-keeper, should the amendment to YI plan be necessary? | ||
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Roleblock youngminii NOT Bill Murray. YI laid it out pretty correctly; youngminii roleblock somewhat confirms the validity of youngminii claim, and even if mafia tries to frame him it results in us gaining control of KP since the mafia cannot kill anyone. There are highly likely to be multiple DT so... | ||
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I also want to state that should Bill Murray be confirmed clear (youngminii investigation is correct), then I am automatic clear as well. Bill Murray blocked me for n1 and n2 making me immune from recruitment. Thus in order for me to be anti-town I must either be Traitor or Godfather. Traitor is confirmed dead, and Godfather also is supposedly dead. | ||
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Assumingyoungminii is DT, we get cascade of clears. Bill Murray becomes clear, and because Godfather supposedly died in d2, DCLXVI also becomes clear since he was roleblocked n2. Not completely but semi-confirmed clear is Hesmyrr, who has also been immune to recruitment with exception of n0. That leaves Chezinu, BrownBear, YellowInk, BloodyC0bbler, AcrossFiveJulys, and rastaban (6 players) to target. After second mason claim, the list is further listed to five. With two double lynches, is this not autowin? [TOWN] 6 zeks, youngminii, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, Hesmyrr, second mason [TOWN OR MAFIA] 5 Chezinu, BrownBear, YellowInk, BloodyC0bbler, AcrossFiveJulys, rastaban MINUS second mason. There are two mafia. (9-2) Today we lynch anyone out of TOWN OR MAFIA list. Bill Murray jail youngminii, youngminii investigates one person in TOWN OR MAFIA list, Chezinu switches his bomb to players in TOWN OR MAFIA list. Assuming we fail today and makes two mislynches (6-2): [TOWN] 6 zeks, youngminii, DCLXVI, Hesmyrr, second mason, n3 investigation [TOWN OR MAFIA] 2 living two players Another double lynch on those two players d4 for the win. Of course this plan assumes I am town, but even if I was recruited n0 this plan is concrete since it leaves me alone against rest of 5 confirmed Townies. Thus lynch me d5 for the win. VOTE DOUBLE LYNCH | ||
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SECOND MASON SHOULD CLAIM WITH A KEY. My scenario neglects the case mafia hit Chezinu, but with Chezinu switching his bomb to player in [Town or Mafia] list NKing Chezinu only acceleates the process. | ||
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Never mind. TOWN OR MAFIA players become reduced to two because two gets lynched, and one becomes clear by DT investigation. I am somewhat excited and is trying to pick holes apart as I can. | ||
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9-2 Bill Murray killed. 7-2 [TOWN] 6 zeks, youngminii, DCLXVI, Hesmyrr, second mason, n3 investigation [TOWN OR MAFIA] 3 living three players youngminii killed. 4-1 [TOWN] 5 zeks, DCLXVI, Hesmyrr, second mason, n3 investigation [TOWN OR MAFIA] 1 living one players Town lock. == Worst case scenario where Mad Hatter has placed both of his bombs on Town side == Before mafia hit, Chezinu switches one of his bomb on Town side to "Town or Mafia" side. Chenizu and DT also announce their targets to prevent stacking, so DT don't end up investigating player with the bomb. Mafia hit Chenizu. In worst case scenario, Jailkeeper (not DT since Chezinu CAN move one bomb) and one "Town or Mafia" blows up. Let us assume second mason claim and one player claims mason. There are 5 TOWN OR MAFIA players. One is lynched today. Chezinu is killed. One gets blown up. One gets investigated. [TOWN] 6 zeks, youngminii, DCLXVI, Hesmyrr, second mason, n3 investigation [TOWN OR MAFIA] 1 One living player Since double lynch, kill final living player and Hesmyrr for the town lock. | ||
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YellowInk, with double lynch we can outpace mafia kill and prevent mafia from somehow overcoming current situation later on. I think it would be highly beneficial for us to vote for double lynch today so we can use it tomorrow. Can you specifically explain a scenario where my plan fails (minus youngminii not being DT) so you can justify your opinion not to use double lynch? | ||
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We want to ensure the mad hatter keeps the bombs on people who are unconfirmed. Current situation, whether Chezinu's bomb is lost or not doesn't matter much; only thing it matters is if it is placed on one of the "Town" side players, in which case Chezinu can minimize the damage by switching it to one of the unconfirmed players before mafia hit goes through. | ||
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Someone Someone Someone Someone zeks (Mason) Someone (Mason) DCLXVI youngminii (Goon) someone (Goon) someone (Godfather) I do see above possibility (with Mafia nearing his victory) where we are 8-3. However, in current situation with coroners dead, what can we do? Either we decide youngminii is DT or not, then we run with it. One path leads to doom, another to salvation. And I rather go with the scenario that gives Town logical chance of victory rather than stumbling around in absolute darkness. If the town decides to go along with our plan, should we have another surviving Mad Hatter claim? (YI did bring up a good point about this.) We can just delay his lynch until he managed to move all of his bombs to the unconfirmed players. | ||
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Point about mason is correct though; second mason really needs to come up with a key sooner or later to verify zek's mason claim. | ||
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