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On June 16 2010 08:10 Radfield wrote:
I love how I shot up to being number two most likely without a single piece of evidence . Citizen, we've been PMing back and forth but we might as well get this out in the open. Obviously something I said made you think I was mafia, and it's likely the fact that I was saying it's a bad idea to use the vig shot on moocow.
By using the vig shot tonight it means that we lose an entire night and day cycle. Instead of a lynch or lose situation on day 5, it becomes a lynch or lose on day 4. That means we lose a night of medic protection, dt checks, and watchering. Does this at least enter into the decision making process of the night vig shot?
I realize you feel quite sure that moocow is mafia, and frankly I think him most likely of our blue claimers to be mafia, and one of the most likely left in the game. Check the thread, I've said it before. But that doesn't mean he should be the first to go. We have other good targets.
If you doubt my alignment, at least check with ludwig and meeple. They are our most townie players in my mind, and I've been part of a mini town circle with them since the beginning of the game.
Anyways, if you think me scummy, at least drop a shred of evidence my way.
I agree with radfield that shooting moocow tonight would be hasty. Frankly I suspect ludwig much more than moocow. Let's use the night actions to help narrow down which of them is the bad guy rather than risk wasting our good detective.
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Can't believe he asked you to get ME shot, wow... yeah, radfield is either very dumb or very mafia. Btw, the last person I said that about was L in my PM conversation with him.
Though citizen, I really would swap your suspicion of moocow with Ludwig.
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Don't worry radfield, citizen was probably just bluffing about being in contact with a vigi.
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On June 16 2010 10:15 flamewheel wrote:
Guys, I just got a PM. I was roleblocked during the night.
HAHA
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btw whoever took a hit posting immediately
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On June 16 2010 10:20 Foolishness wrote:and meeple please
Meeple is not confirmed but only likely town -- there are plenty of mafia plots that could involve meeple right now and I don't want to give mafia any unnecessary opportunities. Only PM me and citizen.
Foolishness there is no way both me and ciziten are mafia -_-
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This is going to get very, very interesting when we hear back about who got hit and what meeple saw.
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On June 16 2010 11:05 meeple wrote:
Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night...
well according to what we asked you to do, you should have witnessed the role blocker blocking flamewheel.
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I'm still waiting on a response from citizen. I'm sure he'll be back soon.
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Also ludwig hasn't PM'd me yet.
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Aha! I knew it! And he role blocked flamewheel in case the watcher ended up watching flamewheel.
Man it's ironic that ludwig didn't just role block you meeple. If they thought you were watcher, that would have them covered, and also would have been favorable now that you turned out to be the medic. But for some reason they decided you definitely weren't the watcher and that the real watcher would be watching flamewheel so they had to role block flamewheel anyway...
Jesus. This is really lucky for the town.
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Obviously if this is all made up and ludwig flips green, we lynch meeple the next day and get a mafioso anyway.
and I can't believe they took the bait you gave them foolishness with that last argument. Just for the record I PM'd foolishness after that argument saying that I know he was trying to draw a hit! But I thought he was a mad hatter.
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Citizen and I both received that flamewheel is town. This means that moocow is either sane or naive assuming I'm town.
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On June 16 2010 15:06 Foolishness wrote:
Just to clarify some things for those who are overly paranoid:
1) First night I watched Ludwig, and I got back that he was visited by tree.hugger and meeple. This subsequently rules out meeple as mafia since Ludwig did not die, and since Ludwig was not roleblocked (in some wacky scenario where he's town and meeple's mafia, I'm pretty sure Ludwig would have claimed in thread. That plus AFJ claimed to be medic) meeple must be clean. So this rules out the possibility that meeple's medic.
You mean meeple claimed to be medic? oO;
2) The only other person that has known about our true identities is Radfield. I'm not sure exactly how he found out meeple was the medic, so meeple can probably clarify if necessary. This makes Radfield very likely to be clean, as he wouldn't have ordered the hit on me since he knew I wasn't medic. Yes, it's possible that he did this to gain trust but I find that highly unlikely, especially since we have 3 lynches to find the remaining mafia. In the end he'll probably slip somewhere and lose.
That's interesting. However, in a PM exchange Radfield insisted that Ludwig- was clean and that I should consult Meeple about it if I don't believe him... but it sounds like you all trusted Ludwig- for some reason without proof, care to explain this?
For the remaining days I suggest we take the following course of action. Let's hope for the best and assume our DT is not naive, nor mafia. DT will check redtooth and we lynch Chezinu tomorrow (obviously if the result of the check is mafia we kill that person). Next night DT checks Radfield should he be alive and if there's no mafia result, then we decide among the remaining townspeople who to kill (*cough* flamewheel *cough*).
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Man it's going to be tough if our detective is indeed naive (I feel very confident that MooCow IS detective at this point). The only way to win at that point will be to get lucky and lynch the right person.
The good news is we have a fool proof way to keep meeple and foolishness alive: meeple protects foolishness, and foolishness watches meeple. If the mafioso is dumb enough to hit meeple he will get spotted by foolishness, and clearly the hit will be blocked if he goes after foolishnesss. Now this does waste our watcher ability since in doing this we won't be able to spot the mafioso killing other people, so perhaps meeple and foolishness can coordinate how we use the night actions (perhaps have foolishness watch someone else), with the threat to the mafioso always being that if he goes after meeple or foolishness he might be wasting his kill or will get caught.
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On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote:
Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...
Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.
I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...
Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...
It seems like bad play for 2 of the mafia to try to infiltrate a blue circle. What's the point? My best guess of the remaining mafia before the night's events was Ludwig/Radfield, but now I would guess that it's going to be Ludwig/Redtooth (or hell, it could even be chezinu... he has acted fairly town aligned in my PMs but what has he really contributed to the town?)
Also, because I love conspiracy theories :D!
--It's possible that meeple and foolishness are the remaining mafia and that the roleblocking the second night was just to totally throw the town off. We will know this is the case very quickly if ludwig flips green as foolishness already mentioned (I find this highly unlikely).
--Or, foolishness is mafia and made up being the watcher (assuming he did the ballsy thing and assumed that no watcher exists in the game). He then convinced meeple that he's the watcher and said he saw meeple visit ludwig (which meeple had already stated he did) and made up that tree.hugger visited ludwig (no way for tree.hugger to verify that since he died). On the second night, foolishness hit himself knowning that meeple would protect him. So at this point there is no way for meeple to know that something is fishy and everything looks dandy. Then, we lynch ludwig, who turns out to be the legit detective and there are still 2 mafia left. Foolishness, as you would say, you deserve an Oscar for your performance if this is what you've done.
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On June 17 2010 09:25 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 08:43 Foolishness wrote:On June 17 2010 08:24 Qatol wrote:On June 16 2010 23:13 meeple wrote:On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you. I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well... I would argue that as long as you have a majority of players agree to end it early and those players are also all voting for the same person to be lynched, then you can end the day early. I would also say for future use, that the person for whom the town is voting for must be given a chance to defend them self. As long as the person knows they are going to be lynched the day can end early. Well, still have to wait for everybody to vote in order to avoid modkills, no? So I'd still say that everybody has to have at least cast a vote.
Yeah, everyone voted besides redtooth.
Frankly I wouldn't mind if he gets modkilled since he's one of our suspects and mafia sure as hell will be saving him for last.
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and I meant ludwig not you korynee LOL
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On June 17 2010 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
wait a minute flame still could be mafia... he could have lied about the roleblock?
MooCow said he's town
which means he's town unless MooCow is naiive.
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