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tis 2hr late!! oh noooo | ||
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O_oa | ||
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does tod go up come on put some effort into this noob | ||
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so when's next eta for next nuke when's current day end come on be a mod else ill ##vote ace  | ||
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##vote:nemy stop hiding asshole start talking you in particular are being so useless it's pissing me off what's your opinion on the current situation? what do you think of iaaan nikon duo? is one of them mafia? if so which one? if not why not? what do you think about caller? should he be lynched? should we fire off any (real) nukes at suspects? note, if we mislynch we're fucked but if we mislynch but hit nuke, we're still kinda in the running, depending on mafia #s | ||
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what's your take on his roleclaim? if you believe it why are you lynching a cop? if you don't, why not? | ||
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On April 04 2010 16:47 nemY wrote: I don't believe he is a cop, because frankly anybody can say whatever they want here and not be verified, correct? Caller only shows up in times of dire situation for himself (ie: he's about to be lynched) and then he goes back to... whatever it is he's doing when are you going to r/c jeejee? i don't see the point tbh; if you haven't realized i'm town by now, well, i would advise you to follow the thread more closely in the future. but i do love your post. "i don't believe his r/c because anyone can r/c whatever the fuck they want. btw when r u gonna r/c??" haha maybe mafia should kill me and find out my role. if they want to take the risk also, who's the next day extension-er? me countering opz's nuke a few min before it lands? | ||
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On April 05 2010 07:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: You have your regular nuke, and a retaliatory one. It's on you to nuke Abenson, and abenson to retaliate on me. you have as many retaliatory nukes as u want i thought? so i figured i might as well retal vs u otherwise that one will be wasted but since iaaan tossed out a fake nuke, doesn't really matter still waiting on nemy to toss a nuke nikon's way | ||
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i'm kind of losing faith for this game btw. it has slowed down too much. after nemy's nuke lands, what more information can we get during daytime? we have to decide on lynch target. if a nolynch goes through, we basically lost. these endless extensions are getting us nowhere, apart from townies afking out cause nothing is happening, which will cause hell come next day vote (it will basically be lylo depending on numbers) what's your call opz? hell, i'm close to afking out myself. i just don't really see us winning tbh, consider best case scenario in terms of numbers: 4 mafia, 1 sk, 7 townies. a pretty reasonable outcome is between town and SK, one mafia and one townie die (either we lynch mafia or SK kills mafia). then we're left with 3-1-5 territory. that means we will need 5 to lynch. that means EVERY SINGLE TOWNIE has to vote for ONE PERSON to get them lynched. that makes it near impossible to kill mafia through lynch, and we're left with nukes only as our method of day killings. if we mislynch, we're even more screwed. and if there are 5 mafia instead of 4, we might as well bow out. of course we could lynch mafia, and SK could kill mafia, then we're "sitting pretty" in 2-1-6 but tbh that's still a pretty tough situation to be in. i just don't see it =/ | ||
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 but 9 hours from now i should be good to go, no worries also, question @ inf's claim: you said you can't nuke unless you are nuked first.. does that mean you can only retaliate nuke? or once you are nuked, you can start launching nukes at whoever? if so, why don't we just launch a fake nuke at you to give you that ability, should we require it? | ||
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so, just to sum up, currently we're waiting on nemy>nikon, also need inf's clarification on his "can't nuke until nuked" ability i'll be honest i don't have high hopes, but we'll see | ||
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i'll throw one out at 10:00KST or so? | ||
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yeah.. well this one's a no-brainer ##vote: nikon i was about to write it's obvious that we need to anti-nuke nemy, but i think all we have learned is that nemy and nikon are not on the same team (unless their plan was to sacrifice one of them for a single anti-nuke which is so stupid i dont know why i brought it up). however, since there are probably 3 teams, sk/mafia/town, it is possible although unlikely that neither of them are town. still, i support anti-nuke on nemy. the risk is too great otherwise | ||
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if japan had 2 anti nukes, it makes sense to lie otherwise they're dead. consider that caller was the target of the first nuke with virtually no basis behind it iirc, so it is reasonable that a townie will save him however, this is all pretty simple to figure out. we know there is japan, and there are only two reasons japan could be hiding: 1) japan still has an anti-nuke and does not want to die -- in which case this is simple: japan, anti-nuke nemy then claim. even if you have a 3rd anti-nuke or whatever, it's not worth hiding further. plus, you should just claim you're fresh out of anti-nukes anyway 2) japan/caller combo is mafia. so hey, it's pretty damn clear. if japan doesn't jump out of the woodworks to save nemy, we can assume the reason japan is hiding is not because japan has further anti-nukes. unless there's a third possibility i missed, then we can lynch caller. however, either way, nikon should be lynched. we can't nuke him for obvious reasons (since he hasn't claimed he's being framed, we can safely assume he isn't), and it's pretty clear he's anti-town. well, unless you think that launching fake nukes at the most obvious pro-town player in the game in order to burn up our anti-nuke then lie about one's role is pro-town play, in which case, well... comments? | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Nemy...I was defending you homie... Why so defensive? Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread. Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... retaliate = nuking people that nuke you no idea why you separate the two as if they are different | ||
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have you been reading this entire time or do you have a whole 100 pages of catching up to do? i know it's a big time sink, but if you haven't i would urge you to try and read as much as you can to get as much context as you can. failing that, the various summary posts that are splattered here and there (nuke summaries, player analysis, vote counts etc) will make a great starting point as well | ||
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assuming the above is true, the other thing to note is that after day post, there will be 9 players alive, meaning there cannot be 5 mafia, since mafia's win condition from OP: Mafia win if they control majority of the town at any point during the day. not much else to say until day post i suppose. | ||
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pretty impressive, i have to applaud your brilliant deduction skills. why am i getting a flashback of everyone-has-a-gun-game where whatshisface posted a list of confirmed mafia calling ace-the-townie gf, xelin-the-medic as a mafia, plus himself and mafia teammate as mafia. OH hold on, i know why. your analysis is trivial. anyone can come to the conclusion that if caller is legit, so must be d3, and with opz and abenson, the person that brings this up must be the fifth confirmed townie. i was just waiting for this. the only question was who would bring it up? a townie or a mafia? thanks for making it easy for me to decide. if either opz/abenson brought it up for example, this would be a much tougher spot. let me rip the mafia to shreds iaaan haster citi.zen lmnop first -- by looking at vote counts first day is kind of a non issue i feel, as everyone voted for rol. if you want, for the sake of completeness, these four fellas went along and all voted for rol too, but this means squat. second day - these four people again voted for xelin together (confirmed non mafia). not only did they vote, but they basically single-handedly created the wagon third day - these four people YET AGAIN voted together for nikon (confirmed non mafia). similar situation as day 2, wagon creation today - citizen/haster starting on caller, big surprise second -- by abilities first, anyone get their nukes stolen today? i think most everyone has posted now, nobody has claimed this. when someone like china has three nukes just lying around, how can you NOT steal them? wait, wouldn't that go against the paranoid gun owner claim (i'll get to that nutshell of gold in a minute). After all, how can you claim your nukes got stolen if no nuke thief pops in the night? Actually I suppose you can claim your role's power is to nuke other people instead, which brings me to... ....the paranoid gun owner claim itself. this is so full of shit i don't know where to start. yes mafia roles change from time to time, but if it is a noticeable change, the name changes as well. you'll never find a detective without an investigative ability, likewise you'll never find a paranoid gun owner who doesn't cause indiscriminate death to both town and mafia at night. newsflash: the ability to nuke people who nuke you isn't a special ability. it is a feature of this game. it is like claiming "oh my special ability is to vote during the day". thirdly -- by setup how many mafia ARE in this game? i find it interesting that iaaan hasn't even considered the point that there might not be four mafia, but less. know too much? all we know is that there isn't five mafia. there could be anywhere from 1-4. Given the special abilities that we know exist (nuke thief and role block), there's gotta be at least 2. so 2, 3 or 4? consider that 2/22 would be a ridiculous setup, as 2/9 is the norm, and doubling both numbers will actually give us 4/18. of course this is far from a normal setup, but 2 is just so out there, it would be almost as difficult winning as with SK. earlier a lot of people agreed on 4-5 being the optimal number and since we know it's not 5, four seems a good number. 3 is a distant possibility that we should keep in mind though (as if a bus exists, that means every mafia has a special ability, which makes this actually not so bad) lastly -- by behavior I first raised my eyebrow that something was up when citizen came in the game, with I is here! I'll try to decide who to vote for after I've had a bit of time to read through the posts. As of now I guess it's between Nikon and Caller. Then, not even 20 minutes later, he busts out his vote. i don't know about you, but simply finding the summary posts and vote counts will take me like 20 minutes, nevermind actually reading them and understanding the context in which they were made. secondly, the whole of citi.zen's defence against caller makes no sense. claim arguments aside, there are so many inconsistencies in citizen's posts, whereas caller's at least kind of make sense in a clusterfuck kind of way. a bunch of that, no doubt, is due to citi.zen being new to the game. finally, the iaaan explanation. how can all this be true if iaaan-the-presumed-mafia brought it up? nukes aside, at this point mafia kp = townie kp, and we're permanently in lylo town. we cannot improve the situation unless we risk nukes, and with radiation levels as they are (and by my earlier estimates we are only four nukes away from ToD loss), it wouldn't be the best of risks to take. it looks like the plan was two-fold -- try and get caller lynched to win the game right there, or if that fails, try and get a lynch on a random townie later on. of course this could be a very elaborate distancing plan too, but i highly doubt that. however, even if that was the case, that doesn't alter the alignments of haster and citi.zen, who are both shoe-ins for red candidacy. likewise, if there are only three mafia, i guess this could explain it too. i do feel for mafia in that case as 3/22 is quite a tough setup to win with, even if each of you have a special ability The final thing i'd like to bring up is does this make sense? ALL OF THESE four candidates have been brought up as serious suspects in the past. their defences don't hold up, the claims are full of shit, the arguments are nonsense, the vote histories are against them and their behavior is tell-tale. honestly, i would have voted for caller's clusterfuck of a claim until citi.zen came in with the gem about his roleclaim and ability. and we almost certainly know, barring some epic mindgames, that caller and citi.zen are on different teams. Consequently, this makes caller (and as a result, d3) legit in my eyes, and the rest is history. at this point i am certain on citi.zen and haster, so we at least are going to make good progress there. for the last mafia or two, being split between lmnop, iaaan or both, that's going to be our next big decision. however if we're down to those two, i propose a simple course of action: use a lynch/nuke combo to get them both dead, as given the numbers, this will make it town victory. if there's a townie among them, they should support this so we nuke/lynch. if there isn't who cares what they say so we nuke/lynch. ##vote:citi.zen What's the matter, is that mafia squirming I hear? | ||
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