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Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.
I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.
Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.
I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.
I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.
Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.
I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen.
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On April 01 2010 11:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
can someone give me a brief description of the bus driver? i wasn't in the other game.
Taken from Mafia XX:
Bus Driver
Twice per game, you get to switch the actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. A Bus Drivers' alignment is ambiguous. That means they can be town-aligned, mafia-aligned, neither, or both.
C is a DT and checks A. D is a medic and protects B. A and B are switched. B is hit by the mafia. When the day post is made, C is notified that: B is a (B's role). D is notified that: Congradulations! You have successfully saved Player A!
With a bus driver, the mafia has the threat of preventing the rolecheck of an elected official. Which casts doubt onto the candidate regardless of alignment. Fortunately, if A gets checked and is swapped with B, the DT will get back: "B is a (B's role)" instead of "A is (B's role)". (I was originally considering making it this T_T). So any diverted checks won't confuse the town.
On April 01 2010 11:29 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.
I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.
Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.
I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.
I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.
Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.
I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen. Bullshit, the bus driver doesn't work that way, if we were switched you'd still get meeple's role as a result on me.
As you can see above, that's not how it works.
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On April 01 2010 13:26 Zona wrote:
Caller, do you have anything to say in your own defense in addition to your claim?
Regarding what, exactly? The primary concern was that I was inactive and wasn't participating in discussion. That and I also had an "incident" on the West Bank that needed to be addressed. Of course, seeing as how those people who opened their mouths got nuked to hell, I don't think I would be doing town a lot of good as radioactive dust than as someone who can still perform alignment checks.
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Just dropping in to say I checked d3_crescentia last night...
He flipped scum, which, assuming I'm insane and not paranoid, means that he's not scum.
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on a completely unrelated note, any ideas on who i should check tonight?
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Okay, that does it guys:
I am actually Japan. I have no antinukes left, for the record, because I shot down the one that RoL launched at me. You may be wondering why I was acting all mysterious and suspicious throughout the entire fucking game. That's because I knew that if I claimed Japan and /or made myself not a lynch suspect, I would definitely get night hit and that means I wouldn't be able to figure out if I was insane or paranoid. Which, of course, means that my checks would turn up diddly squat and be completely useless.
We still got this:
Mafia KP is one per night. There clearly are no more than 4 mafia left. Therefore there have to be at least 5 townies. If we hit a mafia every night, we win. SK is dead so KP is down to one for lynch.
HOWEVER: I can now say that I am officially Insane.
Now consider:
I checked citi.zen last night and he came out town. That's right, town. Which means that I am insane and that therefore he is scum.
There's our lynch for today.
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On April 08 2010 03:44 haster27 wrote:
So why wasn't you roleblocked?
roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss
roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this
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Okay, let me put it this way:
Firstly, Infundibulum claims Paranoid Gun Owner. This is a very powerful role as it prevents people from visiting you at night without death. Now, because you want to draw mafia hits as it’s a free kill, in addition to preventing blues from being suspicious and checking you out, you take an active role in town discussion. Instead, both you and Infundibulum just kind of sat on your ass and only came out to defend yourself from allegations, otherwise you just kind of hmm de hmmed while other townies died.
The other effect of Paranoid Gun Owner is that it’s a deterrent to all blues to visit you, including DTs. At this point in the game, I was like why the fuck not, check him out, it’s almost over anyways. The very fact that I’m still alive and came out with a check means that you cannot possibly be the Paranoid Gun Owner.
Thirdly, your entire defense has been a by-the-book chainsaw defense (meaning you attack the other person instead of pleading your innocence). While this is not a hundred percent trustworthy, it can be a scumtell, especially when other people defend you in a similar fashion.
Fourthly, your posts have been “I need to catch up to the game and do reading, blah blah blah.” This may be valid but usually these posts are just an excuse for inactivity. If you’re innocent in general, and ESPECIALLY the Paranoid Gun Owner, you should just start firing away at everybody and hoping either you get mafia to slip up or you cause mafia to put a hit on you.
You and Infundibulum have done neither, instead preferring to AFK your way to victory. This is a valid strat as paranoid gun owner to counter blue sniping. However, you don’t fucking CLAIM paranoid gunowner if you’re doing this strategy.
In other words:
a) Both of you contributed nothing
b) You have a way to deter night visitors through your claim
c) If you truly are Paranoid Gunowner then you are playing your role terribly and letting mafia blue snipe no problem. Why the fuck would you roleclaim that shit AND pretend to be a blue?
d) My check shows you as innocent and since I checked meeple (blue) as red, that means I am insane and you are red. And because I visited you and I’m still alive, you clearly cannot be the Paranoid Gunowner.
And haster, your entire post is a great example of Mutual Chainsaw Defense (scumtell). Rather than show why citi.zen isn't scum because of his reasons, you attack me because "It's obvious that Caller is scum."
Really now?
##vote: citi.zen
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On April 08 2010 05:10 citi.zen wrote:
I guess it's worth a shot to try to get out of this again, but it won't work. For the sake of going through the motions I'll answer you. Here we go:
The paranoid trait does not prevent anyone from visiting me at night. In fact your lies are so transparent it's sad: you yourself claimed you just visited me and I turned up town.
A) Stop twisting my words. I didn't say it prevents anyone from visiting you at night. I said that nobody can visit you at night without dying.
Taken directly from Mafiascum (where Ace is known to play)
The Paranoid Gun Owner, similar to the Army Veteran, involuntarily kills anyone who targets him during the night, regardless of alignment. He can be a liability to the Town for this reason, as he indiscriminately kills Cops, Doctors, etc. He can not choose to kill.
You claim that your only ability is the ability to retaliate upon being fired upon. Infundibulum also claims that he is the Paranoid Gun Owner (exact words, nonetheless). Why would you be paranoid if you could choose whether or not you retaliate? That just doesn't make any sense at all.
See above. As a paranoid gun owner I can nuke people who nuke me. I cannot deter people from visiting at night - as you (supposedly) should know.
See above indeed. You use the word "can." I'm calling bullshit on this, as again, Paranoid implies that you have no control over your abilities. More importantly, ANYONE can retaliate nuke ANYONE. So your special ability that you claim is the exact same fucking one that everyone else has.
So basically, we have Infundibulum claim a role. Citi.zen inherits that "roleclaim" and doesn't understand how it works so he proceeds to make shit up about it. Too bad that role doesn't work the way he said it does, especially because he claims an ability that everybody else has.
This, if anything, should be the most suspicious part and the most likely course of events.
ROFL - but but but - I accused you first, right after Ace's update post. So if anything, YOU are trying out the "chainsaw defense". I think this is a generally a really bad "tell" - but this case it helps point out yet another failed argument in a magnificent post. Good job.
Your entire accusatory post was a simple quote of my initial roleclaim that I had made and that somehow justified you voting for my lynch, without explaining your reasoning or anything. I, on the other hand, had already checked you at night and you turned up innocent. That was my initial accusatory backing, and I grew more suspicious based on your response "lol desperate attempt by mafia blah blah blah." That's not reasoning at all. Your entire accusations are posts made by me and "durrr he's mafia durr." Just like haster.
You again fail to understand my ability - see above.
As to the activity levels: I have read summary posts, and all of Fishball's posts, since I thought he was... fishy. After doing that, you came up as the main red contender. Pretty clear cut stuff, many others outlined the case. I said so after the day post above. I voted. I think I did my job. Can't speak for Inf, but from what I've seen he seemed to be doing a decent job as well.
Firstly, you clearly seem to be lying about your ability. You even don't seem to understand what the fuck a PARANOID GUNOWNER is. All you've done is read posts by various people stating how I "visited meeple" (which I have already explained is because I was bussed from Nikon (who ended up as SK)) and how I'm quiet and therefore scum. WELL NO SHIT I WAS QUIET. I was TRYING INTENTIONALLY to be suspicious. You night hit people who are obviously innocent, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CLAIM DT and ARE DOING CHECKS. I'm not an idiot. I knew the best way to stay alive was to walk the tightrope that is being a major suspect and yet not getting lynched or night hit as a result. Now there's no need for me to maintain my charade.
Secondly, you've done zippo analysis and are riding on the coattails of a few other posters to justify your lack of activity. WELL IF YOU'RE THE FRIGGIN PARANOID GUNOWNER you have nothing to be afraid of to not be spamming up the thread, ESPECIALLY because you're quite a good player as we've seen in several of the other games.
See my answers above - you are repeating illogical arguments. It ain't working - next time at least try to make sense.
No, clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
a) You clearly don't understand what a Paranoid Gun Owner does and yet you claim that as your role.
b) You claim a special ability that everybody else has, as it's stated in the fucking opening.
c) You think yourself to be active by quietly minding your own business and voting for me based off other people's reasoning while not doing any analysis despite claiming the fucking Paranoid Gun Owner and therefore being immune to night attack without killing the people that attack you.
d) You and haster both accuse me at the same time with absolutely no reasoning except quoting posts and saying "derr mafia," just so you can ride off the momentum towards my lynch that has been happening since the beginning of this game, especially because I've been intentionally playing it that way.
e) Upon my revealing your mutual chainsaw defense, you proceed to disavow any knowledge of haster. Sketchy as fuck.
I've played this game to know that players that are scum tend to take the path that has been travelled many times before. In other words, mafia tend to only do things that other people -both town and mafia- have done already, because they will always want to play it safe rather than risk themselves when they don't have to.
Would a mafia player dangle themself between an obvious night hit or a lynch, especially with the SK in the game? No.
Would the mafia player knowingly not say anything or attempt to defend himself at all for a good portion of the game to achieve the above goal? No.
Would the mafia player claim an uncheckable role, contribute nothing through the entire game, and accuse a suspect (who has knowingly placed himself there intentionally to avoid a night hit) without any solid analysis at all? Yes.
Would the mafia player not understand what role he claimed, especially if it is quite a complicated role, and especially if two separate players are playing that role and the second one is not familiar with the first role as a roleclaim? OH HELL YES.
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On April 08 2010 08:38 haster27 wrote:Going through what I believe are major point of your posts because some people are starting to make strange votes. Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 03:54 Caller wrote:On April 08 2010 03:44 haster27 wrote:
So why wasn't you roleblocked? roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked.Seeing as how you think I am pulling Mutual Chainsaw Defense for not mentioning citizen (my post was even before you posted list of reasoning that incriminates him as Mafia), I will address your points against citizen as well and show why you are more worthy lynch target than him. I am combining your first and fourth argument because their point seem to be similar. You argue that infund and citizen has not been that active in the thread. Okay, I am ruling citizen out from the start. He had just been replaced yesterday. How can you accuse person who just replaced in of inactivity? Hell, JeeJee even suggested he do some reading, so there is nothing strange with citizen posting that he will be looking over the thread. Thus this is summary of your argument: Paranoid Gun Owner must be active in order to cause Mafia to night-kill him. Infund has not done this. However, only thing we know is that he is only able to counter against nukes launched to him. Nothing has been spoken about him being immune to night kills. Because every activity seems to be being carried in terms of nukes (proved by RoL who launched a nuke instead of insta-killing his target after death), it is possible what infund has said could be his entire ability. I just feel like you are making too many assumptions here about role you don't know which makes me uncomfortable. Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position.
~Opz~ already addressed most of your points, but here's another one:
You say how every ability seems to revolve around nukes. Well I will just say this: We had a medic in addition to antinukes, so the medic clearly doesn't block nukes. We have (had) two detectives. Neither of whom looks at nukes but at people. We also have a veteran (iaaan) who can take night hits. Not nukes. So clearly, there are plenty of roles that don't involve nukes. So why does citi.zen's "I can retaliate, just like everyone else" role make him a Paranoid Gunowner? No, the only reasonable explanation is that he's lying and trying to bullshit the role of a Paranoid Gun Owner. This especially makes sense because Infundibulum was the one that claimed and now Citi.zen, who has clearly revealed that he doesn't pay optimal attention to the thread (by ignoring how I am Insane and therefore the "innocent" means he's scum) slips up the roleclaim by claiming his abilities are something everyone has.
By the way citi.zen, your entire "Martyrdom" approach doesn't help your case at all. The last time people have tried this approach (capek and iaaan) they were both scummier than the bottom of a boat sitting in water too long. In fact I would've used this as rationale for lynching you without any of the incriminating evidence, because no innocent would EVER make this kind of self-immolation without some kind of ulterior motive, which you clearly don't have.
In fact, martyrdom is such a scumtell that I'm going to vote for you again.
##vote: citi.zen
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by the way ace i didn't die
you know what that means
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