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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Well, not really, but you're getting well above the 50th percentile. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I guess if it helps you sleep at night, keep thinking whatever you like about me. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
At this point we're not discussing a ban we just talking about who wants to hug or hit Kush. I don't see any value in this conversation continuing, some hosts feel he is disruptive and some don't. He can play in some games but not in others. So it goes. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
If he used his role poorly then he should not be banned IMO. Banning for poor play is a slippery slope that should not be risked. Although I am not sure if this ban list is even active anymore, the OP has not been updated in 7 months. If it is not active it should cease to be used and hosts should allow/disallow players at their own discretion. the OP has not been updated in 7 months. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 21 2012 11:04 DarthPunk wrote: Although I am not sure if this ban list is even active anymore, the OP has not been updated in 7 months. If it is not active it should cease to be used and hosts should allow/disallow players at their own discretion. the OP has not been updated in 7 months. I think we've been fortunate enough to not have a major incident in quite a while and people have gotten better at sitting out their ban before trying to join another game. I do still like having an up to date list though when hosting. I'm a lot more comfortable not allowing a player play because they broke rule X, rather than deciding who can play based on personal preference. Perhaps we can change the thread owner to a shared account such as the TL Library user if flamewheel could use some help? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 21 2012 12:01 GreYMisT wrote: Kush was not banned for poor play. I have made that clear. I can't find the explanation in this thread? What exactly was he banned for? if you don't mind my asking. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 21 2012 11:29 kitaman27 wrote: I think we've been fortunate enough to not have a major incident in quite a while and people have gotten better at sitting out their ban before trying to join another game. I do still like having an up to date list though when hosting. I'm a lot more comfortable not allowing a player play because they broke rule X, rather than deciding who can play based on personal preference. Perhaps we can change the thread owner to a shared account such as the TL Library user if flamewheel could use some help? Yeah. Regular updates to the ban list would be more appropriate than adhering to something that clearly isn't functioning in it's present state. For example. Kush's ban. He was made to sit out some games but not others. Some people allow him in their games, some don't. There was no formal punishment in this thread and he was not added to the ban list. Some people agreed with his ban some didn't and there has not been any real resolution on kush's status as far as I can see. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 21 2012 15:30 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. Regular updates to the ban list would be more appropriate than adhering to something that clearly isn't functioning in it's present state. For example. Kush's ban. He was made to sit out some games but not others. Some people allow him in their games, some don't. There was no formal punishment in this thread and he was not added to the ban list. Some people agreed with his ban some didn't and there has not been any real resolution on kush's status as far as I can see. Thats because, for the most part, I prefer to handle things on my own. If a player bothers me he will be handled by me. I will state in this thread what occurred so hosts can make their own informed decisions. I have no need to beg the ban list when I have power over my own games. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On December 21 2012 15:58 GreYMisT wrote: Thats because, for the most part, I prefer to handle things on my own. If a player bothers me he will be handled by me. I will state in this thread what occurred so hosts can make their own informed decisions. I have no need to beg the ban list when I have power over my own games. Ok. So how are hosts supposed to make informed decisions when you haven't stated in this thread what happened? Like, I don't want to stir up shit. But the only things I have heard about it are hearsay and some things that kush said. There really isn't an explanation here by which other hosts can make up their own minds. You don't need to beg the ban list for your own games certainly. But kush has been forced to sit out games due to the rule set established by this ban list, so it only seems fair that his case gets to be heard in full and reviewed by his peers. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17995 Posts
Here is the ban: On November 23 2012 02:15 GreYMisT wrote: Kushm4sta (Cyrus) Has both died in humiliation and has been MODKILLED + Show Spoiler [reasons] + Realizing you have RL issues is one thing, but just saying "well im not going to have time" or "I feel sick" and then blowing your 1 shot ability becasue why not WHEN I HAVE 4 REPLACEMENTS WAITING TO /IN is simply unacceptable. Thus Kushm4sta will be banned from all games of mine in the future and I will seek ban list action against him after the conclusion of this game. + Show Spoiler [Role Pm] + Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Cyrus. You are a loyal knight and a hero of 600 AD, sworn to do whatever it takes to defend your king and queen. At any point, once per game, you may choose to unleash your finishing move, Nirvana Strike. You may activate this by typing ##Nirvana Strike: Player Name in the thread. At this point, no passive or active abilities or states will affect you or your target. If your target has a lower % of health than you do, you will kill the target instantly. If you are tied or have a lower % health, you will be humiliated and die. You also have a 1 shot passive self protection ability. If you are about to die the most damaging ability that is targeting you will be prevented. If this prevention would save you, you will automatically use Nirvana strike on the source of that damage (this passive will not use your Nirvana strike charge). You have 600 max HP. You win with the town. Let this serve as a warning to everyone. Don't toy with me. And here the explanation is a bit better worded (from Paranoia signups): On November 23 2012 07:05 GreYMisT wrote: Its not that you were lying that was the problem. Its that instead of notifying me that you didn't feel up to the game so I could put in 1 of my replacements who would LOVE to play, you decided to just say "screw it". Its a disrespect to me, the host and creator of your role, a disrespect to the spot that will never be played or filled by a replacement, and a disrespect to the other players in the game who have had their experience worsened due to your actions. EDIT: I have played with Kush and found him to be perfectly acceptable in ACME. He clearly wasn't in CT, but he has (been forced to) sat out all games starting until CT ended, so hosts have been self-policing perfectly fine without the use of the ban thread. In the future, I would not have a problem letting Kush into a game, but every host is given full freedom to stop players from joining their games. If I was Greymist, I would probably also feel differently about Kush. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
It was my understanding that he misread his role and thought he was a suicide vig and that going in with that assumption he decided to trade one for one. If that is the case and he simply misread his role PM and has been fine in countless other games then he shouldn't be banned IMO. If he suicides for the sole purpose of leaving the game in full knowledge of the failure of his role he should be banned. It is the intent behind the action rather than the consequence that is important. After all, isn't this about reforming/weeding out toxic players rather than a means of vengeance by the aggrieved party? Anyway, that is all I have to say about the matter. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 21 2012 22:41 DarthPunk wrote: Well, if the intended function of this list is to inform others then I don't understand why the explanation wasn't simply copied across as you have done. rather than every potential reader of this thread in the future having to look up that particular post in a game as large as chrono. It was my understanding that he misread his role and thought he was a suicide vig and that going in with that assumption he decided to trade one for one. If that is the case and he simply misread his role PM and has been fine in countless other games then he shouldn't be banned IMO. If he suicides for the sole purpose of leaving the game in full knowledge of the failure of his role he should be banned. It is the intent behind the action rather than the consequence that is important. After all, isn't this about reforming/weeding out toxic players rather than a means of vengeance by the aggrieved party? Anyway, that is all I have to say about the matter. Kush intentionally suicided, misread his PM, and complained that he was too sick to play. Once dead, he attempted to almost immediately signup for another game. His actions were completely unacceptable. I understand that you may not have all the facts, but they are there. I don't believe an open license for hosts to ban Kush is reasonable but I also don't think Kush fully acknowledges the severity of his actions, so a formal punishment is still outstanding. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I knew there was a chance of me dying but I did not intentionally suicide. I thought if I had more hp than marv and if he was scum, then I would do it and everyone would be like ooo kush what an ownzor. If he had more hp than me I wouldn't have to deal with this game anymore. If we was town and he died then that was ok too because he said something in the thread that pissed me off. Therefore it seemed kind of like a win-win scenario. I did have a fever and I was not thinking that clearly. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 22 2012 01:33 kushm4sta wrote: For 4 days around thanksgiving I had this thing where I was super sick and felt terrible at night then in the morning I felt way better, only to become really sick again at night. That's why I signed up for a game in the morning (even though that would have been a shit idea because I felt like shit soon after, but that was the first night of it so I didn't know that at the time) I knew there was a chance of me dying but I did not intentionally suicide. I thought if I had more hp than marv and if he was scum, then I would do it and everyone would be like ooo kush what an ownzor. If he had more hp than me I wouldn't have to deal with this game anymore. If we was town and he died then that was ok too because he said something in the thread that pissed me off. Therefore it seemed kind of like a win-win scenario. I did have a fever and I was not thinking that clearly. I don't know how many more times I have to say this. Its the fact that you blew your ability because you were done with the game INSTEAD OF asking me to replace out so someone else could enjoy the game in your stead. If you cannot see why that is wrong then I don't know what to say to you anymore. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
You gave him a role and he has every right to use it how he wants to use it within the rules you set for the game.(I dont see him breaking any rules) you cant penalize him for using his role in a way that you dont like. Its his choice not yours. He clearly didnt want to be replaced cause he wanted to see the results of his choice he made with his role. Whats your problem? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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