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Whoa, 28 pages o.O
If there's anything I've learned from the previous mafia game I was in, it's that clues are always right. Even if you interpret them incorrectly, they still are pointing to someone, and it's likely that your wrong interpretation is right. That's why this whole Ace vs L thing seems so bogus. I have to admit that I agree with L's argument towards using clues from the get-go, since with 20 mafia in the game, clues aren't likely to reappear in the foreseeable future and they won't be any stronger on Day 3 than they are on Day 1, there would just be more of them to talk about, and if we've skipped any analysis, it would be way easier for clues to get bogged down by a third party. This would be disastrous as it would allow a mafia family to avoid being linked to clues, essentially giving them the victory nearly for free.
You have to understand that the dynamics brought in by having two opposed mafia families make analysing clues so much more important, as those families will be looking to kill eachother, hence becoming unwilling accomplices in the town's plight. Moreover, the activity it would presumably spur would be invaluable, if not today, then tomorrow. It's also worthy to note that lynching anyone in the first couple of days is not in the town's best interest, we need to be able to discern between the different mafia camps, lest we tip the scale too far in one direction. Remeber - mafia families have 3 KP right now, but their KP will only go down if they lose 4 people. Hence, lynching a mafia hastily could potentially have a disastrous effect on the game. It's probably best to let them kill off each other for now, while gently making suggestions based on logic and science as to who they should... dispose of. Even if we do not lynch a mafia, it still works heavily against the town's favour, since it diminishes our strength as a whole.
Another thing to note is that there will be mafia running for office. A more intricate result from that is that they're unlikely to substitute bodyguards with their members if their candidate wins. Regardless of the outcome of the vote, I'd expect attempts on elected positions as soon as night one, since no one really has any substantial information this far.
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On February 14 2010 22:55 Ace wrote: "let them kill each other off now" - and how do we do that? It's not like we KNOW who they are.
I disagree with so much of you're post. You're first paragraph is blatantly wrong because clues aren't always right. The very fact that you don't even know what automatically constitutes a clue makes you wrong on that too.
Clues are always right. It's just that sometimes our interpretation of them isn't.
On February 15 2010 05:02 redtooth wrote: i haven't finished reading but i had to ask: who are you again? i don't remember you in any mafia games before and you sure didn't play a lot if you think clue analysis is "usually right" lol. seriously 90% of early accusations based on clue analysis are wrong. go check the other games, there are those good at clue analysis (camlito, BC and i guess pyrr) but most of the other clue analysis from random people are trash and just distractions. like Ver said, it's the behavior analysis and roleclaiming traps that will win games.
Where did I state that clue analysis is "usually right" lol. Don't put words in my mouth. I believe that I said that clues incite posting, at least in the start, which directly increases material to analyse behaviour on. L even kindly took it upon himself to repeat that in a more eloquent manner.
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On February 15 2010 08:21 redtooth wrote: and congrats, clue analysis incited posting. we have ~20 pages of day one clue analysis. now time to stop looking at day one clues and start looking at behaviors and getting the correct people elected and lynched. let me lay it out once more: day one clue analysis doesn't work unless you are a certified expert at it. and even then it doesn't work most of the time.
We're almost at the same wavelength now. I've been looking at behavious more than at clues to be honest, in fact, I can't say I've done any clue analysis so far. Although, I forgot to say that clue analysis is stronger for the mafia members since they can rule some people out, or make obvious connections to their members and rule it out. But I digress.
Man, the whole election and lynching thing pushing bothers me a little. The whole dynamic of having two mafia families changes that whole process so much, that it's not even funny. Lynching is kinda dangerous to the town as well, if we lynch a mafia, and the other family kills enough to lower their KP, we've set up quite a nice handicap for a family right there. The other option is to lynch a townie, which is the most neutral option I suppose, but it still hurts us as it removes bodies to absorb stray night kills, and if we lynch a blue role... well, that sucks.
As far as the mayoral election goes, I'll just say that I wouldn't want to be elected.
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Also, before I go to sleep, Phrujbaz is mafia.
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On February 15 2010 13:26 CynanMachae wrote: First, I don't understand how Ver is getting that many votes...
Secondly, from the previous pages I've just read (well, more like the 20 previous pages), people came with the argument that people weren't playing the same way than in another game (Ver, BC), or that they were doing this that way each game (Ace vs L), etc, and based mafia accusations on that (among other things). While I agree that a slight change can be a lead, wouldn't it be exactly a mafia would play, not changing anything? Those are good players we are talking about, I wouldn't say that playing the same way is red, but changing a lot seems much less red to me.
I'm sorry, but what are you basing this assumption on? It's plain wrong.
On February 15 2010 13:46 meeple wrote: I'm curious as to why so many people are abstaining... is it just because you can't decide?
None of the candidates have brought forth a decent platform that I agree with.
On February 15 2010 14:37 redtooth wrote: the alternative is Ace and i aren't aligned but i am mafia. then reason out why mafia would go out of his way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family). lol i could have done that to earn ace's trust but that's quite a difficult target to trick. that scenario doesn't make any sense at all either.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all either. You're omitting possibly explanations as to why you'd go out of your way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family), but you don't need to include them cause you're not red, everyone can see that, right?
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On February 15 2010 15:16 redtooth wrote: now that i've explained everything and come clean, will you vote me mayor?
Why are you pushing for office so hard? It's not as if a town role getting elected would suddenly have these super amazing benefits, in fact, the game is structured in such a way that getting elected benefits a mafia way more than a townie, even if the person elected is town-aligned.
On February 15 2010 15:45 redtooth wrote: and goddamit this is day 1. you won't get a mafia the majority of the time. guys lets just relax and vote me as mayor and L as pardoner. if you don't you are being illogical... really...
Really? Telling people that they're illogical if they don't vote for you? That's really poor, especially considering how inadequate your election platform is.
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On February 15 2010 19:38 redtooth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2010 19:02 Nikoner wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 14:37 redtooth wrote: the alternative is Ace and i aren't aligned but i am mafia. then reason out why mafia would go out of his way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family). lol i could have done that to earn ace's trust but that's quite a difficult target to trick. that scenario doesn't make any sense at all either. Your post doesn't make any sense at all either. You're omitting possibly explanations as to why you'd go out of your way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family), but you don't need to include them cause you're not red, everyone can see that, right? i'm sorry. i really am. i made the incorrect presumption that people would think for themselves this game. will make sure to explicitly lay out every though process i have from now on, no matter how obvious. first off, mafia can only distinguish an individual as either in their family or not in their family. they have to analyze the same clues, the same behavior that we do. but for the sake of laying it out in ridiculously simple terms, we'll go through each scenario individually. red would not defend other family red. there's no sneaking into the 'mafia family circle' or 'earning the trust' of a mafia. a mafia family knows every other member in the family so you can't trick a mafia member into thinking you are their ally. since the goal of one mafia family is to kill the other, there is absolutely no merit for a mafia to defend another mafia. scenario 1 doesn't make sense in that regard. SCENARIO 1 redtooth is from mafia family 1 Ace is from mafia family 2 redtooth defends Ace mafia family 2 maintains full KP and uses it to target mafia family 1 red would not defend blue. first off, blues are indistinguishable from green so far. blues are also either actively trying to find and kill of reds (DTs), are actively stopping reds from doing their jobs (medics) or waste precious red KP (veteran). only one red may want to actively stop from dying is hatter because hatter dying may backfire on red. let's look at the scenario where Ace is blue. doesn't make sense that i would protect him were i mafia, would it? SCENARIO 2 redtooth is mafia Ace is blue redtooth defends Ace Ace's actions end up proving detrimental to redtooth through one of the reasons listed above red would also not defend green. the reason is because there is so much risk involved in defending an individual - the attention shifts to you so quickly. the only foreseeable benefits are that the green trusts you and you can use that trust to sneak into town circles or get him to vouch you. but that only works against really gullible players and is a rookie mistake. SCENARIO 2 redtooth is mafia Ace is green redtooth defends Ace town shifts attention to why redtooth defended Ace Ace fails to get into a town circle because of the suspicions surrounding him redtooth fails to get any meaningful information or trust combine that with my posting behavior, zero clues associated with me, and consistent (though sometimes adjusted) arguments and you have yourself a TOWNIE. any more questions?
What about the case where you and Ace are in the same family? If you are, what you're getting from this whole ordeal is people to look over it, AND you're pushing for mayor. Combine that with the horrendous platform that seems like it's crafted for a single mafia game and uh... doesn't look very solid.
Also, having no clues associated to you on day 1 doesn't mean shit, I have no clues assiociated to me either but it doesn't mean I'm the zombie-Jesus-townie-miller.
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On February 15 2010 19:42 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 19:27 Nikoner wrote:On February 15 2010 15:16 redtooth wrote: now that i've explained everything and come clean, will you vote me mayor? Why are you pushing for office so hard? It's not as if a town role getting elected would suddenly have these super amazing benefits, in fact, the game is structured in such a way that getting elected benefits a mafia way more than a townie, even if the person elected is town-aligned. On February 15 2010 15:45 redtooth wrote: and goddamit this is day 1. you won't get a mafia the majority of the time. guys lets just relax and vote me as mayor and L as pardoner. if you don't you are being illogical... really... Really? Telling people that they're illogical if they don't vote for you? That's really poor, especially considering how inadequate your election platform is. how is it logical to vote for anyone other than me and BM? all other candidates are either surrounded with suspicion or have zero information to make an accurate judgement on. you're right about it benefiting a mafia way more than townie... SO WHY WOULD YOU RISK GIVING IT TO A CANDIDATE YOU HAVE NO CLUE OR ARE SUSPICIOUS ABOUT? BM has shown his irrationality thus far so i am the most logical pick. man direct your suspicions at the correct place. seriously.
If you and Bill Murray are the only logical candidates, why are you telling me to vote for you and L?
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If you're a townie and get elected mayor, you're a dead man. I don't see why you push so hard for that post.
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L, don't lynch anyone if you have that option.
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How do you expect DTs to come forward, they haven't even had the chance to do anything during the night yet. Only reason to come forward as a DT today would be if you're the godfather of a mafia so you could potentially infiltrate townie circles, and even then, it's way risky.
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On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote: I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either.
And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia.
We can't just blindly post lists of confirmed mafia, what if we discover 8 members of the same family? If we post that, it's pretty much an auto-loss. Suddenly, being able to derive information from a somewhat private discussion becomes much more powerful. Couple that with the fact that mafia wouldn't typically want to kill DTs as you and it's not that bad of an idea.
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On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote: Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
Fair enough, but I'm wary of the possibility that lynching a mafia will lower one family's KP. If that situation persists for a decent amount of time, it could be bad for the town. I'd also like to point out that if Empyrean flips green, you really don't have that much regarding associations to work with. Neither you do if he flips red, to be honest, seeing as he hasn't posted much, unless I've missed something.
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Bill Murray is right. Vote for Nikoner. Vote for change.
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On February 16 2010 09:53 SugiuraMidori wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Ver - Always a town suspicion BloodyC0bbler - Early town suspicion DoctorHelvetica - Town suspicion MasterDana johnnyspazz Ace - Swing Voter citi.zen Vivi57
Empyrean LucasWoJ XeliN Amber[Light] Fishball QuickStriker 789 - Admitted to profile-clue matches. dozko Nikoner - Swing Voter tree.hugger ShoCkeyy Zato-1 - I still think he's red Fulgrim meeple - Swing Voter Chezinu - Has claimed DT for what his word is worth Scamp d3_crescentia - Swing Voter L - Pardoner Zona - Odd behavior Iaaan ~OpZ~ sidesprang Shikyo Caller ohN Abenson nemY Mystlord - Profile clue match? redtooth - Mayor (Claimed Medic) CynanMachae Phrujbaz tredmasta - Swing Voter SugiuraMidori Bill Murray - Swing Voter iNfuNdiBuLuM [NyC]HoBbes Versatile Faronel Malongo decafchicken l10f Foolishness - Acted red to me. madnessman _________________________________________________ I'll save Italics for potential lynch candidates. If anyone would like a medic list, I can use underline for that.
Up for suggestions, updates, and fixes. I'd love if we could keep this updated and have it act as a summary.
Jesus Christ on a motorbike, how can you post that. How sure are you that the info you posted is 100% correct? You can't be. This is what I meant by "don't blindly post lists of mafia".
On February 16 2010 20:02 Ver wrote:+ Show Spoiler +A few things to address:
-Quit spamming the thread. This is the most active game ever and it's seriously hindering the ability of a) reading important posts (they get buried) and b) forcing people to be accountable (accusations get buried). We seriously should start enforcing a rule (as players, not as host at least for this game) to ban 1 liners and any low content posts.
-My accusation of Empyrean was not final, it was a setup. He messed up but he had a chance to prove himself, which was not really granted given his and my inactivity. Rarely is it feasible to be able to declare someone mafia by analysis without any kind of response. This is why it is critical that when someone is accused with serious evidence backing it that we make them accountable and not just let them brush it off and ignore it.
It's astonishing despite how enormous this thread is, a large number of people have said virtually nothing or nothing of importance. More attention needs to be brought to light on this, as these people are seriously crippling our ability to gather information. I'm sure some of them are simply put off by how large this thread is since some people insist on spamming useless posts over and over again. We need to force these people to start talking and get real information out there.
I went through the thread and compiled a 'useless list' of people who haven't made any serious contribution this game. A certain few are not there for various reasons, though it is possible I may have forgotten some. If you're on this list, better start posting and giving the best contribution you can if you want to help the town win.
Phrujbaz quickstriker shikyo Opz Decaf amber Xelin Nikoner tree.hugger MasterDana JohnnySpazz Ohn Tredmasta l10f Faronel Nemy Shockeyy Scamp Cynanmachae Sidesprang Fishball Abenson
If you feel you are on this list unjustly, prove me wrong about your uselessness.
Why aren't you on your list? Or SuguiraMidori? I guess posting random lists of people is useful, I better start doing it then.
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Well... Chezinu publicly asked for stacked medic protection. Since we don't actually know how many medics the town actually has, this probably would only save him if only one family makes its move. Or if none do. Basically, protecting him is kinda a poor decision seeing as how he might be a Godfather for all we know, but it's not like we can verify that you're a medic through role checks any more, can we?
And if you didn't want to be in office why did you bother running in the first place?
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I'm red based on what? For all I know you're working together with Phrujbaz, trying to get me killed.
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^This post targeted at SuguiraMidori.
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Wow, can't believe both Phrujbaz and Midori were mafia -.-;;
On February 20 2010 10:31 L wrote: On that note, I just went and updated foolishnesses old post with the new information we have because of the fact that uh... its a secret.
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
updated.
Nikoner stands out even more now; with so much green, and now a confirmed red voting for ver, why would he throw down the deciding vote after having voted for ver only an hour before? He also voted within a minute of a known red. His profile has graffitti.
Which brings me to another point; It seems the herrings that are listed in the clues are valid clues, but they aren't linked to the particular killer. We may have been very, very wrong about how we assumed bombs would be declared, as well as how double hits would be declared in the clueset.
We just lost 2 hatters. That's 4 bombs. There should be TEN people dead. We're missing 3. The clues dont' account for 3 overlapping hits.
This is pretty bad news.
I wasn't hopping on that particular bandwagon. Might wanna ask Tredmasta a thing or two as well.
Also, the
Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. However, the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby, and warily began to sneak away from the crime scene as the debris crunched below his feet. When he was but fifty yards away, he heard a large tree fall overhead, smashing the Shikyo’s shack to pieces and turning Shikyo to pulp.
accounts for exactly 3 missing kills - two bombs exploding in a field and presumably doing nothing, since the other bomb hits were depicted in a way that rules them out from happening in a field, and it hints at Shikyo taking two hits, one with a dull fork and the other one with someone cutting the tree so it'd wreck his shack.
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the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby
Pleased to see two Gambinos gone for good, DoctorHelvetica sensed that things would naturally come to good order. Unfortunately for him, however, his peaceful thoughts were interrupted as a bomb exploded under the foundation of his house, which came crashing down on top of him.
Those are three bombs right here. Bill Murray's death was somewhat unclear, I admit, so maybe he had two bombs on him, but after reading the examples above, I'm not entirely certain.
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So, Chezinu, how about you post a list of people that your mafia contact asked you to check on or something?
I'd also like to put forward this piece of text by our late Midori. Now, I know I haven't been proven to be anything, but such preemptive defense for Scamp is... hm. Unsettling.
On February 19 2010 07:01 SugiuraMidori wrote:Nikoner and myself and Scamp.. I think Nikoner is red, so Scamp won't be on the same red team, so he's either opposing or green.
And if Midori was a bodyguard, then we can rule out redtooth being Gambino pretty much.
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Guess we could really use a double lynch now, eh? Hindsight is 20/20
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Talk to us, Chezinu, what do you know?
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On February 22 2010 13:04 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2010 11:41 Nikoner wrote: Talk to us, Chezinu, what do you know? If so far all the people I have been talking to are town, I'm going to keep talking to those people. You can't kill the circle! It will keep going round and round. You may take some of our members, but you will never take us all! For Ace... For Fulgrim... For Redtooth... We The CIRCLE The 3rd mafia family, Shall not perish!!!!
You're the one who's paranoid about dying...
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On February 23 2010 01:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 09:39 Incognito wrote: When the three Mafiosi made it to the city gate, they each decided to go in their separate directions, moving swiftly towards the houses of their victims. The first Mafioso went straight for the town center. When he finally arrived at his victim’s house, he noticed that the door had been left wide open. Cautiously, he peeked in the window, noticing that a pot of soup was still cooking on the stove. A pencil and a few charts were also spread on the table, but the Mafioso could not notice that anything important or telling about the papers. Figuring that his victim had been alerted to his presence and had hidden all his important documents before hastily vanishing, the Mafioso tiptoed upstairs, careful not to make any noises that could alert his victim. Upon reaching the upstairs bedroom, the Mafioso noticed fresh tracks beneath the window, and jumped down, careful not to disturb the tracks. He raced through the forest, and soon found his robed target sitting by the lake. Ace felt no surprise as he turned around to greet the Mafioso. He was about to warn the Mafioso that he couldn’t hide in the darkness, when suddenly the Mafioso sprayed gasoline all over Ace and quickly lit a match. As he left the scene, Ace’s attacker muttered to himself, thinking how much fun it would be to terrorize the town not only in the darkness, but also in the light.
The results of my endeavors have satisfactorily harmonized with the forecast that I generated and acted upon in accordance to a detailed analysis of the situation at hand and the desired goals that were stated by key stakeholders and interested parties at the outset of the events that previously unfolded.
So... what's the connection between the clue (that probably was related to Mystlord, you know?) and my profile? Are you trying to kill me like Phrujbaz and Midori did?
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Oh, I see what you're doing here. Looks like I'm going to need a medic to protect me tonight.
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I thought we're lynching L today.
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Safest route for now seems to be lynching Quickstriker. Of course, Quickstriker could very well be a miller, there's no reason to believe that we only have one miller with two mafia families in the game. The odd thing is why didn't he get hit by the Gambinos. Even if he is a miller, the opportunity was too great to pass up.
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You can't be seriously suggesting that L. Seems like the town will be better off if you're lynched today.
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Meh, everyone is extremely uncooperative and disagreeing. Or trying to kill me. You really aren't benefiting the town by posting stuff like that, therefore you are obsolete.
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Let's see you explain why we should lynch Caller and Scamp tomorrow instead. Don't try to pin me down as a Sumiyoshi, I'm pretty sure that you know that I'm not one. If you do, that's some seriously poor defense.
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Lol, I'm not Sashimi.
There's no reason to lynch Scamp solely on the merit that he's mafia, cause he might very well be a Gambino. You remember the win conditions, right? Of course, that wouldn't matter if you already know that he can only be a member of the other family. Moreover, johnnyspazz is lying. Had a brief PM stint with him yesterday, asking him if they killed Ver - then he proceeded to ask me which family I thought he was from, when he publicly declared that he's Gambino. Quite the bad slip-up there. There's no reason for a Gambino to ask me that. Not very surprising that you don't want him lynched.
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On February 24 2010 03:00 XeliN wrote: Vote L to be lynched, simply the fact that he maniuplated the town to such an extent and it turned out to be very wrong is enough to lynch L.
It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia,
I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz
Quickstriker can still be a miller! Lynch L.
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What are you talking about? The chance is exactly 50% - either you do or you don't.
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On February 23 2010 11:27 Chezinu wrote: I vote L
town killer! Even if you are town, we need to know...
On February 23 2010 11:45 Chezinu wrote: I change my vote to QuickStriker.
I vote for Double Lynch.
May the Circle Prevail. Remember Quickerstriker was confirmed mafia. Or is he just a miller?
On February 24 2010 03:28 Chezinu wrote: L has seen the light.. He made some really good points.. Why do people only listen to his bad decisions... oh I know why! Cause they are mafia!
You think with redtooth's death, people will start to see that everything I have said has been true.. I WANT L TO LIVE!!!
You're really making the town circle questionable, you know?
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So, what do you johnnyspazz and L think about
Ver did not care any more as a gruff voice mocked him. He could feel the clanking of heavy armor underneath his head as he bounced up and down.
and
LucasWoJ decided to wake up to check what the noise was all about. He tried to sneak out of his house carefully to avoid suspicion, but stumbled on a coffee mug, a toothbrush, and an empty water bottle
then?
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I'm being antagonistic? Right.
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As he lay dying, citi.zen felt a scorching pain from the red-hot iron that branded his chest. The brand was quite ornate, but had only left citi.zen with two words. “Get out”, said the inscription.
ShoCkeyy
"Nothing in the world is more common than unsuccessful people with talent, leave the house before you find something worth staying in for. "
From his profile.
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I'm not sure if it's worth it.
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I'm more interested in who killed Ver.
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I'm talking about which family. Although, it seems that if I were to get an answer now it wouldn't be satisfactory.
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Or let's just lynch L, per yesterday's plan.
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Do not trust L. Chances are, he'll try to have me killed tonight.
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On February 25 2010 11:56 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 11:39 Amber[LighT] wrote:On February 25 2010 09:57 Malongo wrote: I think we should lynch tree.hugger and scamp next day. Hopefully Gambitos or Yumiyumis could help us a little here tonight. I think we should lynch L. I think we should lynch Amber
I think we should lynch Chezinu.
Or do I?
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The risks involved in keeping him alive in that case somewhat outweigh the benefits already.
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On February 24 2010 10:54 L wrote:Show nested quote +LucasWoJ decided to wake up to check what the noise was all about. He tried to sneak out of his house carefully to avoid suspicion, but stumbled on a coffee mug, a toothbrush, and an empty water bottle then? I think they're clues.
I think its interesting that you'd pick those two in particular, but I guess you're just trying to be antagonistic and with that choice abandon the fantasy that you're part of the town.[/QUOTE]
If you think that drawing attention to this clue is bad, why do you want to kill Scamp then, Pardoner?
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On February 25 2010 12:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 11:32 L wrote: A big thanks to the two medics that contacted me. Cynan and Versatile are going to be protected tonight. Just a heads up. Haha. Ok, where should I start... If what L says is true, then the two medics are either huge idiots, or he thinks the rest of us (both Town and Mafia) are idiots. Once again, it is "ask-yourself-some-questions" time. - L is already guilty for redtooth's death, whom is a Medic. A lot of people would like to see him dead, both Mafia and Town. Why on earth would someone, specifically Medics, would want to roleclaim to him? - L called out and asked Medics to PM him. Two hours later, he claims that he got the Medics. Not one, but two. Isn't that a little too fast, too furious, too many? - L claims Cynan and Versatile would be protected. This is just an unbelievably wrong in so many ways. Let's assume two Medics did role claim to L, a shady character, within two hours. He then announces the two candidates to be protected. First off, why CynanMachae and Versatile? Both players, especially Cynan haven't been particularly active, or to word it bluntly, productive. Why them? Secondly, who would hit a target if they are protected? (Unless Mafia really wants you dead and blow multiple hits). Why announce them? Just to create a diversion? Thirdly, just all the above. Does this picture makes any sense at all? ----- Now keep in mind, L is the Pardoner. No one can touch him unless all bodyguards are dead. The only thing he would "fear" is being lynched. I see Malongo and some others are already proposing lynch candidates. I personally am wanting to hold off proposing anyone until further evaluation. But after L made this stunt, and considering his previous history, this is just getting flat out dumb. I was the one who suggested to stop the L lynch bandwagon, but now, he would be one of my top picks for our double lynch.
Protecting Cynan, who's pointed at by clues pretty clearly. Protecting Versatile because ???
On February 23 2010 12:02 Nikon wrote: Safest route for now seems to be lynching Quickstriker. Of course, Quickstriker could very well be a miller, there's no reason to believe that we only have one miller with two mafia families in the game. The odd thing is why didn't he get hit by the Gambinos. Even if he is a miller, the opportunity was too great to pass up.
Notice that both mafias had a combined KP of 5. Also notice that there were 4 kills that night.
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Then why'd you make a fuss of me posting the shitter clue, broseph?
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On February 25 2010 13:26 L wrote: Then why'd you make a fuss of me posting the shitter clue, broseph? Oh, because I figured you wanted to throw heat on hobbes when you knew he was innocent or on the mafia team you aren't on. Either way, really not worth killing even if he's cluefucked because he's been DT checked as green.
The other possibility is that chez is lying and you guys are wizards. I find that unlikely. [/QUOTE]
And so have I. I have the info from a reliable source.
How true do you think Caller's list is? Part of it checks out neatly with your presentation of the situation, I'd say.
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I know, right, I want to edit the tag in but I can't
"so have I" means that I've reportedly been DT checked as an innocent. Unless my source is lying.
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From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: 123 Date: 2/23/10 16:37 I know someone who investigated you, he said you were innocent.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Am I mafia?
Ask him about it if you don't believe me.
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Yes, he clearly was in the bathroom when the text states that he was woken up by the sound of the perpetrator's laugh. Moreover, your profile fits the toothbrush, coffee mug, empty water bottle nicely. Nice try tho.
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Didn't you say that Chezinu lying is unlikely?
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So, he's not lying unless he's lying. Good.
I claim Miller.
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On February 25 2010 14:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 14:31 Scamp wrote:On February 25 2010 14:20 Nikon wrote: Yes, he clearly was in the bathroom when the text states that he was woken up by the sound of the perpetrator's laugh. Moreover, your profile fits the toothbrush, coffee mug, empty water bottle nicely. Nice try tho. Wait, what? How does my profile fit the toothbrush and empty water bottle nicely? It doesn't. You two are both on the same team and trying to play off each other. Not going to work.
You're the one pushing Scamp for a lynch.
Nothing like coffee in the morning! Except that I hate coffee.
Toothbrush, coffe mug. He hates coffee so there's only a mug. Empty water bottle = blocked drain.
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So you both think it doesn't fit at all? Alright.
On February 25 2010 14:51 Scamp wrote: Cute, I guess, but also wrong. Doesn't really make any sense when I think about it. Also no coffee in the mug because I hate coffee is a gigantic stretch.
It's not like I'm trying to lynch you. L, the person you just asked for assistance is.
On February 25 2010 14:42 L wrote: Yeah, hence it depends what he's talking about. Chez saying he's a DT is not the same as Chez saying "oh someone else that I'm not going to mention said you're legit, hey lets talk". The former seems important whereas the latter is typical chez trying to fish.
I really got rolechecked by the way. By johnnyspazz.
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From: johnnyspazz [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: yo Date: 2/23/10 10:16
just curious, I PM'd all my teammates and now I'm awaiting an explanation.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Plain townie. Why?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: will you tell me your role?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok. I hope that you didn't.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: i dont know i need to ask my teammates, i stopped interacting with them since i thought i was dead for sure
----------------------------------------- Original Message: No. Did you guys kill Ver?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: wtf you are sumiyoshi?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you guys kill Ver?
Here's how johnnyspazz rolechecked me. I'm still waiting for an answer, although it's irrelevant now. If johnnyspazz really was a Gambino, a simple "Yes"
would've sufficed, since that would've implied that clues of Ver's death would lead to a Gambino, which by general consensus we want to protect. Instead he
proceeded to
From: johnnyspazz [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: whoa Date: 2/23/10 11:57
what family do you think i am from?
Hence he's lying about being Gambino. Moreover, he's arguing against lynching QuickStriker, a confirmed Sony.
On February 24 2010 11:45 johnnyspazz wrote: Ok we know I am mafia, but how can you be so sure Quickstriker is? What are your thoughts on his long ass posts? It seems like he put in a lot of effort into
those posts. It's quite possible he is a miller. It seems like he decided to mod kill himself so isn't that enough to change lynch targets?
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Addendum: Remember how there were only 4 kills with a total mafia KP of 5 last night? johnnyspazz was hit by the Gambino, but got protected.
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On February 25 2010 17:00 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +From: johnnyspazz [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: yo Date: 2/23/10 10:16
just curious, I PM'd all my teammates and now I'm awaiting an explanation.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Plain townie. Why?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: will you tell me your role?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok. I hope that you didn't.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: i dont know i need to ask my teammates, i stopped interacting with them since i thought i was dead for sure
----------------------------------------- Original Message: No. Did you guys kill Ver?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: wtf you are sumiyoshi?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you guys kill Ver? Here's how johnnyspazz rolechecked me. I'm still waiting for an answer, although it's irrelevant now. If johnnyspazz really was a Gambino, a simple "Yes" would've sufficed, since that would've implied that clues of Ver's death would lead to a Gambino, which by general consensus we want to protect. Instead he proceeded to Show nested quote +From: johnnyspazz [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: whoa Date: 2/23/10 11:57
what family do you think i am from? Hence he's lying about being Gambino. Moreover, he's arguing against lynching QuickStriker, a confirmed Sony. Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 11:45 johnnyspazz wrote: Ok we know I am mafia, but how can you be so sure Quickstriker is? What are your thoughts on his long ass posts? It seems like he put in a lot of effort into
those posts. It's quite possible he is a miller. It seems like he decided to mod kill himself so isn't that enough to change lynch targets?
Addendum: Remember how there were only 4 kills with a total mafia KP of 5 last night? johnnyspazz was hit by the Gambino, but got protected.[/QUOTE]
On February 25 2010 17:36 johnnyspazz wrote: did you read the pm's at all? wow if anything it proves i am gambino
No.
On February 25 2010 17:37 johnnyspazz wrote: also it proves you are a mafia member on sumiyoshi haha gg how could you possibly know that gambino killed ver?
Nowhere did I say that I knew that Gambino killed Ver. I simply said that answering my question with an yes was the only sensible response, since you'd already claimed Gambino in the thread. In the same vein of thought, how DO YOU know that Gambino killed Ver?
On February 25 2010 17:39 johnnyspazz wrote: and no i was not against lynching quickstriker, i was hoping to get two kills on sumiyoshi since qs was thinking of modkilling himself thus reducing your kp to 2 before night came
Who was going to be your other lynch?
On February 25 2010 17:42 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +Here's how johnnyspazz rolechecked me. I'm still waiting for an answer, although it's irrelevant now. If johnnyspazz really was a Gambino, a simple "Yes" would've sufficed, since that would've implied that clues of Ver's death would lead to a Gambino, which by general consensus we want to protect. Instead he this is a load of bullshit cause why would i trust you to be town? LOL NIKON GG
Regardless if I am town or not, yes was the best answer. Regardless if you are Gambino or not, yes was the best answer.
On February 25 2010 17:46 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 17:04 Nikon wrote: Addendum: Remember how there were only 4 kills with a total mafia KP of 5 last night? johnnyspazz was hit by the Gambino, but got protected. why would a medic effing protect me hahahahahahaha
You've got L on your team, and he seems to have the glorious town circle by the balls. So why not?
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To quickly recap before I get killed: johnnyspazz is lying and so is L. They also don't shave their armpits, don't let them get away.
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On February 26 2010 08:05 Chezinu wrote: XeliN... Your sleep cycle is messed up... It is night time..
The early bird gets the worm.
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Ah yes, but Sun Tzu says: "Opportunities multiply when they are seized".
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Why the sudden change in position, johnny? I thought I was going to die for sure at the hands of your superiors.
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Make note of this fellow townies, don't let the murderer get away!
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On March 04 2010 10:37 Chezinu wrote: Me and L suspected foolishness was GF (Why I didnt tell him much), but then iaaan started acting weird..
I didn't really want the gambino to kill him, I was just frustrated.
You should've asked. He roleclaimed DT in a pm then backed out of it.
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