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Ver: in my post yesterday I complained about people who only make “general theory of mafia” posts. That complaint referred to you and Ace in particular: smart players who simply stated they should be trusted based on past games and that they are awesome mafia catchers, yet do not make any serious attempt to help in this particular game. The many half-truths Ver had posted puzzled me. Then came Ver’s two posts on page 50. What joy: coherent and helpful thoughts on the current game, plus a good, ernest analysis on Empryean. Glad to finally see a better side of you, and agree with much of what you said. Empryean clearly matches clues + is somewhat shady with his posts. Ace: partly covered above - extremely frustrating posts from a smart/veteran player. In the same breath Ace argues clues are unreliable and we need to rely on posting behavior, only to immediately try to stifle any forum discussion with the “if you point your finger at me based on clues you must be mafia” argument, and the even more nonsensical follow-up “I set a trap, anyone who points a finger at me falls right into it”. How does this attitude help generate behavioral clues if nobody is allowed to talk about the clues? Combine this with the (perhaps too) strong clues linking Ace to both Mafia families, and Ace looks very shady to me. BloodyCobbler: too little history, but seems a bit too quiet and has a clue link. One to watch, but too little there for me to push the button at this time. redtooth: recklessly aggressive, quickly pointing fingers and pushing very hard for his election. Many of his arguments are not as strong as he seems to think/make them out, and his statement that “going with the town is spineless” makes me nervous if he is elected and acts on his own weird theories. That said, no clue link to him as far as I can tell, and the fact that he is putting himself out there with such abandon means he is most likely green/blue. L: similar to redtooth in his willingness to point fingers at people, but much less aggressive in his campaign. He is one to watch for the future to be sure, but right now I would not pull the trigger on lynching him if I had that power. Chezinu: if he is town purposely spamming it is very annoying, we’re already over 50 pages on day one. If he is red he is doing a good job I guess. In the end I don’t care, I would not mind seeing him gone, but he is not a top priority target I suppose. If I had to guess I would think this is exactly the reaction he is going for… so whatever. Bill Murray: in my opinion he is perfectly consistent with his behavior from game XVI, where he played very sloppy. He was a freaking DT, telling random people his role and how his clue-check turned, asking for medic protection on the forum and in private messages, and coming up with crazy theories he thought were golden. Nothing new under the sun as far as I am concerned so I doubt he is red. DoctorH: I cannot tell if this is mafia XVI 2.0 or him playing town. I am puzzled as to why he is going after Bill so aggressively. DrH was red in game XVI, yet Bill fucking confided in him through PMs that he was a DT and that I was clue-checked green. How can DrH not know/ignore the fact that Bill always makes mistakes galore? This makes DrH fishy to me, but in the end I am not yet ready to pull the trigger. Zato-1: shady posting behavior already covered by others and clue link to dreamflower’s killer. He is on the shortlist. Parting thoughts Last game convinced me that, thanks to the "no DT check" rule, I can never trust an elected official, even when they helped catch many mafiosi. This will be even more of an issue this time around, since mafia officials DO want to lynch/catch other mafia. Much as I like Ver’s recent posts, I therefore do not want him elected, but would instead put him on the “DT check shortlist” - he can be far more useful from that role. Per my analysis above, I will withdraw my vote for DrH - I just don’t get his very aggressive stance on Bill Murray. As things stand, I will probably vote for redtooth or L, hoping to get both of them elected. Bill Murray could be a 3rd choice, but given his past (and current?) blatant mistakes, I'd rather not go there. I would also like to hear more from veteran players who remain very quiet. Zona, Scamp and BloodyCobbler come to mind. In the meantime, as Ver said, the most useful thing we can do now is to try to advance the lit of suspects, and help DTs come up with people to role-check on night 1. | ||
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I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. | ||
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Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. - look at your profile pic. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. - Your profile quote: "If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?" Obviously they cant both be right at the same time, but the connection is there in both cases. You sure respond very promptly every time someone points a finger at you. If you were equally proactive in other areas of the game I would think it much more likely you are the new Hobbes. Right now however you remain high on my shortlist. | ||
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On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..." So yes Ace, clues can be misleading. That does not mean connections are not there. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:21 789 wrote: Citi.zen, the think is though that mystlord could fit the moon clue and EMP could fit the radiant creature clue. That is the danger of trying to fit clues to someone. Clues fit a lot better when you're trying to fit them to a specific person. Sure there is a chance that one or both of these fit Ace, there is the possibility that none of them fit him though. We should be careful about lynching based on clues so early. Read my posts again, I never said "lynch Ace right now based on day 1 clues". All I did was present my analysis of both clues and behavior, in two separate posts. It is partial and surely wrong in some ways, but I don't see how not saying anything moves the game along. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:31 789 wrote: My point was only if we're going to talk about clues possibly connecting to someone, we should talk about the other people they possibly fit. Please stop posting for the sake of it. My final answer to you, until you find something original to contribute: I went through the 51 profiles yesterday and posted my first fake on page 45. The list was not restricted to Ace and in fact I did include Mystlord, etc. - who you bring up on this page. Please read that list, and if you want, add names to it or cross them off. But don't say I only looked at Ace, and only based on clues. God damn it, it is so easy to bury any important post with spam in this thread. | ||
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On February 16 2010 21:33 Ace wrote: You make it sound as if defending myself is a bad idea Ver. Also don't you think it's odd that multiple people have tried to get me killed already? That surely has to raise some alarms right? If you are also trying to paint yourself as a victim here, I don't buy it. Who exactly are these multiple people who asked for your head Ace? When asked by meeple I specifically stated you were a concern, but 2nd tier to Emp. As far as I can tell most people took a similar view. In the post you are replying to, Ver says this: My certainty with Ace is less than with the above two but Ace really has no business being protected anyway with his performance so far as regardless of role he is hurting the town. Again, not asking for your head, just saying you are somewhat suspect. At the start of the game, Zato-1 mentioned the clue links, but also said they should be taken "with a metric tonne of salt". Same thing for L - who said "Ace, lol what happened. Incog hates you." You are a smart player deliberately positioning yourself as a 2nd tier suspect. You are not a victim. | ||
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On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote: I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia Chezinu 5x DoctorHelvetica 3x MasterDana 1x [NyC]HoBbes 1x 789 2x Bill Murray 6x BloodyC0bbler 1x tree.hugger 1x Fulgrim 1x Nikoner 2x Ace 2x Caller 2x Decafchicken 1x d3_crescentia 3x citi.zen 2x meeple 1x sidesprang 1x SugiuraMidori 1x Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though) 1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x. 2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member. | ||
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On December 12 2009 01:52 citi.zen wrote: Bill Murray = lightman's agent infiltrated on our team :-) | ||
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On February 17 2010 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: NOBODY CARES! lol i do, funny post, but the fact that i'm bad at chess has nothing to do with this The relevance is this: from this point forward, I am no longer reading any of your posts. Maybe if a thoughtful reviewer quotes you, I will consider it. That is all. | ||
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On February 17 2010 09:32 madnessman wrote: i thought that it was against the rules to post pm's? From the moderators. | ||
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