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On January 23 2010 14:30 Iaaan wrote:
I think that there are 1 or 2 mafia that tried out to be elected, then 1 or 2 that are actively posting, then 2 or 3 that are lurking, and maybe 1 or 2 that havent been playing at all.
But i withhold my judgement about who they are for now.
Seems like a reasonable guess.
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On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.
Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.
tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.
So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.
XeliN, the Mayor has no direct control over who will be lynched on Day 2, the whole town does, by vote. The mayor has 3 votes, if you recall, and given that we have 23 members who voted yesterday (and hopefully more tomorrow from the modkill incentive) the Mayor has some but ultimately not enough influence over the town if we all choose to vote.
Secondly, it is impossible to lynch you now simply because lynch voting is during the Day, not the night. The Day 2 clues will come in before we can even officially VOTE to lynch you, and I think it would be wise to at least LOOK at them for some of the 48 hour period before Day 2 ends.
I am still interested to see a comprehensive post about your proposition to lynch QS and/or dozko (with yourself if you are wrong), detailing what you think suggests that they are mafia. I know you are going to be busy/asleep for some time. I think it would help our more inactive players get caught up to speed quickly, and it would help the town make a vote tomorrow. =]
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On January 23 2010 16:24 Fishball wrote:
You guys need to go easy on the speculation, and wait for Day 2.
Most def.
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On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg
GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[
A few points that I'd like to bring up...
Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air."
I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post:
I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol.
We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so.
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On January 24 2010 11:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so. I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
I figured it'd be a common occurrence; it isn't personal at all. Like I said, what I'm more interested in is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air" could mean, because I think that's a more substantial clue.
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dozko, we have to vote TO HAVE a double lynch before we can actually do it on the next day.
A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up:
correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people
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So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing?
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1 kp is = 1 kill.
For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night.
As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once.
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How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues?
Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it.
Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.
Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to:
Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse) scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse)
And also:
saw a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck (0cz3c) he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c)
And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated:
3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3
0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political
These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case).
Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase.
Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice.
Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.
I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it.
One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least.
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On January 25 2010 04:34 Iaaan wrote:
But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.
Yes, I don't believe it's necessarily the truth either, but I am fairly certain that many of today's clues would have referenced other mafia members seeing as there are seven of them. I think that the clues are arranged to be deliberately confounding at this point in time.
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On January 25 2010 07:41 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.
23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...
You're pretty much right.
As I've said before, we have 4 days left in the game if we continue using our single lynches, and 3 days even if we use both of our double lynches - but this is only speaking in terms of survival. We can maybe buy another day if the medics are successful in predicting/covering mafia hits, but they have to be 100% perfect.
If we manage to hit at least 2 mafia in the next few days then by my count we should have another day on top of that. Double-lynching will give us a better chance to accomplish that, even if we lose extra townies.
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On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
This is a stretch. I've seen the anime in question and would be more convinced if there was a chess or strategist metaphor.
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On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
I remember looking up the definition of arcology before Day 2 and threw it out because it wasn't relevant to Day 1 clues. Now things have changed. I think there is a substantial connection here to either of these two players, though I feel the RoyW connection is a bit weaker. Overall I do think it's better than most of the other clue-linking attempts we've made so far.
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On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here?
Exactly what I'd like to know...
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tree.hugger, I'd just like to point out that the reasoning for two shots is because there were two people watching him (l10f, toplexa) in the narrative of the clue. I'm not trying to dismiss your claim; I just feel pretty uncertain about it since it seemed natural to me that he would fire two shots at two targets. We'll have to see in a following day whether or not that's right.
I do agree that neither QS nor XeliN merits a lynch at this point. I'd rather go for Jonoman92 or RoyW at this point in time...
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On January 26 2010 02:04 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 01:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 26 2010 01:23 no_re wrote:On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here? mafia coordinated attack? :o There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread. There's no real indication of Xelin being Mafia, unless you take his inconsistent post frequency as some sort of tenuous link. You have been continuously pushing for his lynching without evidence, ShoCkeyy, and I don't believe that he is guilty. But based on where the voting thread and this thread are going, I can see us digging ourselves deeper by voting off Xelin and then voting off me. Add that to another 6 Mafia night kills, and we'll be left with a 15-7 ratio. (can we even win from there) I do like the direction the game is now going in, with actual review of the possible clues. I have nothing to add to what has already been assessed after last night. I wasn't around at the time due to travelling to Sweden, but I should be around much more for the rest of the week.
If day 3 yields some critical clues, then yes... it's possible to win from there, as long as everyone is active.
If anyone wants to know about why I voted for RoyW, it's because that BC has pulled these kinds of clues before:
I know the "siege" clue was for so no fek and here's how the connection is made You go to google and instead of searching his name, "so no fek" you search "sonofek" This has 1090 results for it, but you are supposed to really search for "sonofka" which google suggests But you are not supposed to click on the first result for sonofka, but the second which brings up this page WHICH IS AN INCEST / PEDO SITE (NSFW): http://www.realedenplace.com/phpbb/viewthread.php?tid=4857One of the users is named sonofka, and underneath their username they have a board rank conqueror. And because using the word conqueror would have been obvious, what do conquerors do? siege.
Though at this point I'm 50-50 on Jonoman/RoyW.
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On January 26 2010 04:53 Iaaan wrote:
you have been pissing some people off ;p But for everyone voting for Xelin, if you really honestly think he is mafia, your going to have to post something alot more comprehensive that just "oh go look through the thread, there is plenty of evidence." that doesn't convince anyone.
I agree with Cresentia about RoyW and Jonoman92 being possibilities, but If I vote for them at this point, my vote would be wasted since there would still only be 2 votes.
Blargh, might as well. I just really, really disagree with voting either Xelin or QS and was hoping to write up a convincing argument.
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wonder when BC is gonna show up...
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bah, I'm unsurprised
the reason I'm proposing double lynches is because we have about 3 days left whether we choose to or not to lynch, and it'd be better to try and hit as many mafia as possible
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On January 26 2010 08:26 Iaaan wrote:
what does it mean by softer changed colors? o:
Softer was not my first choice of who to kill, but at the moment I thought he was more likely then quickstriker, Xelin, or johnnyspazz
it's a description of being hanged (your head turns blue/black from lack of oxygen)
Actually, my reasoning is actually about the same as Iaaan's; none of the current candidates were who I'd like to lynch, and so I decided to vote for someone for who it seemed possible AND to prevent any sort of other last-minute switches from overtaking it. I was 50-50 on Jonoman/Roy after someone had posted the technical-drawing clues, but in the end I felt like my vote was simply being wasted, so I went back to my original plan.
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On January 27 2010 00:24 softer wrote:
Oh i died.. Just as well i suppose, really sorry about going inactive, RL hit me in the face..
GL town, go get them.
Sorry man. =(
I had very severe doubts that the most popular candidates at the time were mafia. I changed my vote as to prevent the softer vote from being contested - simply because at the very least it wouldn't have been a very big loss for us if he turned out to be town-aligned.
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Are our blues more active now and investigating things?
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Actually, that seems like a very dumb question to ask in public, since no one would actively admit that. But I would hope that they are.
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