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oh and also, tree.hugger, softer, and johnnyspazz also voted for the same person as the ones that died, and the reasoning behind killing Itspaul and i10f could be to make it look like none of the Mafia were voting for cresentia/fulgrim when they were (so again softer, tree.hugger, and johnnyspazz)
and also the people who abstained:
abstain - 6
jonoman92
quickstriker
shindigs
Xelin
jadefist
Velkanknight
The reason the Mafia would abstain is because since cresentia was at 5, and tree.hugger at 4, and the other people were at 2/3, so they didn't need any more votes.
The reason a townie would abstain is because they just don't know who to vote for.
And incase someone asks: Iaaan, if you thought tree.hugger was mafia, why didn't you bump someone elses vote up to 4 instead of causing a tie? Its because then, by my own logic, I would consider myself to be Mafia, cause going right at the end and choosing exactly who I want to be mayor, the position that is best for the Mafia to have would again, by my own logic, make people think I was Mafia.
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and last things I can think of right now before I leave for a few hours: The "Broken flower vase" could point to cresentia, but It could also point to tree.hugger, because his name has a tree in it. And IIRC his picture if a dude from Dr.Seuss who's species lived on a flower, but then the flower got destroyed. so that could also point to tree.hugger, although I don't think a ton of emphasis should be put on clues, just that they should be used to support suspicion.
And you guys should all read my posts, I think I made some good points that you should all read, consider, then take apart any flaws in my logic, or say if you think its reasonable. I am going to vote to lynch Johnnyspazz for the time being, since he was the last person to vote for Cresentia. But to you specifically Johnnyspazz, I ask you not to get angry at me for this, but if I'm wrong, prove to me that I am.
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and srsly read my walls of txt.
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On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact.
I've said before that I think clues should just be used to confirm other suspicions, not be the suspicion itself. But that said, I dont think any of these are significant/fit, except maybe the Shockeyy one and MAYBE just MAYBE the softer/quickstriker ones. but probably not.
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I agree with Cresentia actually, iloveKT could be mafia. and I agree with using double lynch as well. I'm not suspicious about fishball at the moment tho, but nice connecting his icon to the clues.
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Okay that's fine, but I just think that at this point clues are less reliable, because we don't know for sure what exactly are clues, and even if we do, we can still interpret them wrong.
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On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:
Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.
Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.
I agreed with the first statement at first, but looking back, the adjective quick is used several times in both day1/2 posts. Maybe its still nothing, but I'm at least considering it now.
But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.
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If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
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I think we need to kill 3 mafia before their kill power goes down, since its the number of mafia/2 rounded up.
And I think that is actually a pretty good connection to Jonoman92, and also RoyW maybe.
Both of them have been mostly lurking, but still voting, and I think that RoyW is either dumb, or he's just been coming in the thread with accusations to make people angry at each other. and I think anyone who does that is bad for the town.
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edit: googleing RoyW, Roy W Brown is the first guy that comes up, so that I think makes it more likely to be choosen for a clue.
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Honestly I think Xelin is a townie, hes just kinda angry/irrational
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On January 25 2010 11:38 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 11:08 Iaaan wrote:
Honestly I think Xelin is a townie, hes just kinda angry/irrational I don't see why that behavior would lead you to believe he is a townie any more than mafia.
I think that people who accuse or are rude look like mafia to some people, simply because they don't like them, and for a townie, mafia is associated with badness and rude/angry people are associated with badness, and thus mafia. Of course its irrational, but i think thats why a few people are suspicious of Xelin, and thus the reason for my post.
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you have been pissing some people off ;p But for everyone voting for Xelin, if you really honestly think he is mafia, your going to have to post something alot more comprehensive that just "oh go look through the thread, there is plenty of evidence." that doesn't convince anyone.
I agree with Cresentia about RoyW and Jonoman92 being possibilities, but If I vote for them at this point, my vote would be wasted since there would still only be 2 votes.
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^ I agree, I doubt either of them are Mafia, I voted for softer ;p
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what does it mean by softer changed colors? o:
Softer was not my first choice of who to kill, but at the moment I thought he was more likely then quickstriker, Xelin, or johnnyspazz
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and btw my name is spelt ian not Lan
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we can lynch the mayor if we think they are mafia; otherwise if there was a mafia mayor, they would autowin.
It is not worth it right now to lynch tree.hugger without any evidence, and I don't think that choosing softer alone is good evidence. While he benefits mafia if he is a mafia, the power of 3 votes benefits us as well. If we lynch him, it is like lynching three townies, so it is not a good choice to make at the moment.
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I think that lynching people who will hopefully be modkilled (i.e. no votes/posts at all) is useless, but I'm sure that several mafia members are lurking; why should we prioritize the active ones over the lurking ones?
I also think that the mafia would want to put at least one person up to be elected, but at this point I don't know who, and while I'm pretty sure the mafia will have slipped someone into the election, there is always the possibility that they didn't. If you, or anyone can make a strong case against one of the candidates, great. But if you simply want to lynch them because they are candidates, then I think there are other people that are more likely mafia.
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