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On January 27 2010 13:37 derfboy wrote:
Ng5's right. this next decision will determine the outcome of the game. we can't afford to go about this hastily.
We also can't waste any time, as long as mafia has 3xKP we're in pretty deep.
i think we should double lynch mystlord and flamewheel first. the thick air strongly suggests mystlord (although the spelling is off, i'm sure most people have interpreted myst as mist). the evidence against keit doesn't incriminate him perfectly, but it works to some degree. i don't think we need to lynch him because he isn't active or a major contributor + he doesn't want to play, so he'll probably get modkilled. i don't remember what the flamewheel clue was, but it seems like a lot of people agreed that it pointed to him. if we lynch dochelvetica before all of them and he turns out blue, it would hurt us more. although the thin blade clue from night 1 seems to point to doc, the other clues are just as incriminating imo.
A detective used a alleged clue-check to confirm the day one clue points to DrH. Either this is correct or not: either the "detective" is mafia or DrH is. No more vague and confusing clues, this lynching brings an actual answer.
so if we don't get any mafia members in the double lynch, we'll go for dochelvetica, since the next most obvious clue points to him. if dochelvetica turns out red, it'd put us back into the game. if he's actually blue, gg. if we get 1 or 2 mafia in the double lynch, we can still go for dochelvetica if the new clues point to him or if someone provides an impeccable argument incriminating him.
I think we actually need 3 mafia dead by the end of the double lynch to stand a decent chance. We need the KP lowered to 2. We have to use the hard information, not place our hope in a multi-step vague process predicated on future clues which may or may not be stronger.
i might be too trusting of DocH, but from what he's contributed, i think he deserves more time to prove himself innocent. also, even if dochelvetica is red, it won't matter that much if we keep him alive for another day or two because he's still a major contributor. if we can interpret what he says for ourselves, he'd still be helping us win. as long as we can lower the KP by interpreting the strongest clues, we'd be heading in the right direction.
As a matter of fact, DrH's interpretation of the day 3 clues leaves a lot to be desired. He failed to acknowledge obvious connections even when asked point blank. You can call it consistent behavior, but to me it is suspect precisely because I hold him in higher regard than this - he is a smart guy. There is no way he would miss the Mystlord connection here:
On January 27 2010 02:32 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 22:52 citi.zen wrote:what do we make of this: Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere. Finally a live one! Any guesses on the above Dr?
On January 27 2010 02:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Clue 2, I don't have any suspect for it.
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On January 27 2010 14:06 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
derfboy, why do you suddenly start being active right now to defend DrH, and to instead accuse someone while admitting you don't know why you're accusing them. Seems to me to be not only suspicious, but just plain nonsensical
That's why it has been a fun day watching people on the forum, both before and after my big post. Also why we must lynch DrH.
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On January 27 2010 14:06 Mystlord wrote:So you're going to lynch based on the fact that my name is "close enough" to the word "mist"? I cannot see the logical connection that you're making there. This is what my name is actually referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MystI'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name.
You are very likely red if DrH turns red. It is your behavior, as much as the clues that raise questions at this time. Even now you are trying to suggest stalling and going after keit/free/etc. instead of following the hard evidence obtained by lynching DrH. You are further trying to confuse matters by suggesting that either keit or DrH, but not both, have to be red - when this is clearly not the case at this point int the game. I just don't see it, sorry. It is not personal, I never even really suspected you before today.
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LOL - clearly dyslexic, sorry "flame"!
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PS: the mafia already knows when you are one of them. Trying to "blend in" with your voting will not work if you are a townie/blue.
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On January 27 2010 14:41 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 14:15 citi.zen wrote:On January 27 2010 14:06 Mystlord wrote:So you're going to lynch based on the fact that my name is "close enough" to the word "mist"? I cannot see the logical connection that you're making there. This is what my name is actually referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MystI'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name. You are very likely red if DrH turns red. It is your behavior, as much as the clues that raise questions at this time. Even now you are trying to suggest stalling and going after keit/free/etc. instead of following the hard evidence obtained by lynching DrH. You are further trying to confuse matters by suggesting that either keit or DrH, but not both, have to be red - when this is clearly not the case at this point int the game. I just don't see it, sorry. It is not personal, I never even really suspected you before today. I'm only advocating a keit lynch because I believed that it would almost certainly reveal who was mafia and who wasn't.
Please explain who your other suspects are if keit flipped red. I am willing to keep an open mind. Note that we will have a double lynch, and possibly a vigilante to use. We need 2/3 or 3/3 hits to get mafia kp to 2.
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About 5 hours left to vote guys.
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I guess our mafia friends went into deep hiding, not wanting to leave any more paper trails?
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I guess a lot of townies are totally inactive - that upsets me. If you just now stumble across this thread, please go to page 74.
DoctorHelevitca just took back his double lynch vote - no surprises there either.
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BTW, meeple - we need your 3 votes for the 2x lynch.
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Great job on tonight's vote, we're on the right track.
Jayme was on my short list for the next lynching, but we got him mod-killed, which is also fine - it means we have 5 mafia left. Remember, we will use a vigilante hit next night cycle, and a double lynching is coming up after that next. If we go 1/3 mafia is down to 2KP. If we go 3/3 they are are down to 1 KP.
Tonight we party.
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On January 28 2010 08:21 Nikoner wrote:
I'd also like to point out how Phrujbaz said that I should be lynched without giving any further information on his decision.
You mean this:
On January 22 2010 10:57 Nikoner wrote:Yeah, day ends in 3-4 minutes. Personally, I think we should lynch Phrujbaz, he beats me 1v1 too much to be an upstanding citizen > 
On January 22 2010 21:03 Phrujbaz wrote:
I think we should lynch Nikoner. It's obvious he is Mafia.
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Ok, lest calm down :-)
A useful exercise now is to go back from the top and read DrH's posts again. See which accusations are suspect, which are not, which clues he ignored or discounted when brought up by others. See who agrees with him every time, and who starts transparent make-pretend "arguments". His decision to be the most active poster left a HUGE paper trail, and no matter how careful he was, in the back of his mind he always KNEW then names of the mafia.
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On January 28 2010 12:00 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 11:48 flamewheel91 wrote:
Hey, I mean he played a good game... agreed. Well play Dr.H. It was pretty hard for the town to catch you imo.
What I still don't get is why they did not kill me on night 2. Then none of this mess would have happened :-)
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I meant day 3 I guess, not night 2.
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On January 28 2010 12:18 dozko wrote:Well done guys, solid performance on this day. Im keeping my fingers crossed for both our towns to get rid of the scum
If you lived in my town I'd have you lynched for this suspect remark.
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On January 28 2010 12:26 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:On January 28 2010 12:18 dozko wrote:Well done guys, solid performance on this day. Im keeping my fingers crossed for both our towns to get rid of the scum If you lived in my town I'd have you lynched for this suspect remark. But if I lived in your town would my remark have made any sense, so as to be speaketh? Well unless I have split personalities I guess...
That Romanian thread must be rubbing off people :-)
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I am 99% sure that a careful review of DrH's posts will reveal all 5 mafia members. It is not possible to remain balanced for 250+ posts when you have that sort of knowledge. This is where his strategy was extremely risky: once he was discovered, the rest of the mafia have no chance.
Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it.
Please scan DrH's posts from the start and make notes. Search the page using something from his signature to make life easier. Tomorrow we can hopefully share very similar notes, and a list of 5 mafia.
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LOL - this is so damn easy now... this is a clear example of how NOT to play mafia. It was wildly entertaining for a few days, but its so over.
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Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.
GG guys.
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