On January 21 2010 07:02 citi.zen wrote:
We've sort of agreed that the mayor will lynch the consensus pick or face massive suspicion. This limits their ability to play the lynching card, regardless of whether they are mafia or not. The immunity they gain, on the other hand, is important.

At any rate, I offered my opinions for this round, voted in the election, I guess time to lay back until more information is forthcoming.

I think the most important power of the mayor is their three votes. They can powerfully influence the lynch vote and this would be very helpful for the mafia. It's been said before, but the Mayor really needs to justify his voting choices and represent the wishes of the town.

DoctorHelvetica

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January 20 2010 22:08 GMT

#313

That's a good point, but is there anything wrong with keeping track of all suspects? I'd rather lynch someone off the bat who might be mafia then some random inactive person.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 22:11 GMT

#316

PMs/Instant Messenger are going to be very important to the town. Obviously the mafia will be communicating this way.

The potential danger is getting in a pm ring/im conversation with a mafia member, which could be really bad.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 22:11 GMT

#317

On January 21 2010 07:10 789 wrote:
The inactive people could end up being mod killed anyway.

exactly

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 22:36 GMT

#323

actually, whether 789 is killed or not is very telling.

The mafia will kill him if any of his list is true, but if his list is bullshit they'll keep him alive because they want us to suspect innocent townies. So let's keep that in mind.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 22:39 GMT

#325

Yes, we can discuss via pm/instant messenger/irc/whatever

the mafia are aware of eachother. look at the example pm in the op.

DoctorHelvetica

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January 20 2010 22:39 GMT

#326

also that's the hard thing about being a detective. being able to influence the town based on your rolechecks without being targeted by mafia sure isn't easy

DoctorHelvetica

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January 20 2010 22:41 GMT

#328

Well I'm running and since I'm biased I'll say myself.

I voted for meeple, I think he'll do fine. He seems pretty level-headed and analytical and I don't have any reason to believe he is mafia.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 23:24 GMT

#335

On January 21 2010 08:06 t_co wrote:

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This, coming from the same person who said

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seems kind of odd. I find this sudden tightness between meeple and DH kind of suspicious.

But the main topic here should be that we should lynch the mayor regardless of whether we think he is mafia or not.

The mayor role is actually quite overpowered compared to the sheriff, but the power only helps if the mayor is mafia.

Consider that the extra three votes of the mayor don't really start kicking in until later in the game, when vote total gets smaller and smaller. By then, most of the bodyguards may be dead.

If the mayor is town, then the mafia can kill him.

If the mayor is mafia, the mafia get an additional 2 votes to use when there aren't that many actives left.

In this case, the mayor is a pretty useless role for the town to keep and should be lynched ASAP. It would also allow the meeple DH duo to be verified, as if one of the two shows up clean, the other ought to be clean as well.

Tightness? I just voted for him. He didn't really have a specific reason that he gave as to why people should vote for him, that doesn't mean I don't think he fits the position. He's active, has been mostly objective, and I don't have any reason to suspect him as mafia.

If the town is going to lynch the mayor right away then no one will want to run lol

DoctorHelvetica

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January 20 2010 23:27 GMT

#338

I was also considering changing my vote to citi.zen, he's been active and mostly agreeable. But I think meeple has a better chance of winning considering the other votes, so it wouldn't really do much.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 21 2010 00:09 GMT

#341

I think the connection between me and meeple is pretty out there. How about the connection between anyone who voted for someone? Pointing out that he didn't give a platform is not really relevant

As far as lynching the mayor or not, that's really going to scare anyone who is running. I also find it strange that you are proposing to immediately lynch the mayor when you are running for elected positions yourself.

DoctorHelvetica

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January 21 2010 00:17 GMT

#344

Why don't we not lynch the elected officials with powers that benefit the town

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 21 2010 00:54 GMT

#351

I really think you should discuss who you think is mafia 789. Since we're all speculating right now as to who the mayor should lynch, by withdrawing that information, you're acting kinda weird.

The mafia will probably kill you anyway right? So what do you have to lose?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 21 2010 01:40 GMT

#353

Just throwing this out here, this is the current voting history of active players

Abenson - Voted for meeple
Ghote- Voted for meeple
StimiLant - Voted for t_co
Bill Murray - Voted for citi.zen, changed to meeple
magicbullet - Voted for t_co
789 - Voted for t_co, changed to DoctorHelvetica
flamewheel91 - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
CynanMachae - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Keit - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Faronel - Voted for t_co
DoctorHelvetica - Voted for meeple
citi.zen - Voted for me, changed to meeple
tredmasta - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
derfboy - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
[NyC]Hobbes - Voted for meeple
Ser Aspi - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
meeple - Voted for DoctorHelvetica

17/34 voted, 17 left to go.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 21 2010 01:41 GMT

#355

i forgot to add meeple, that's why i edited

it's a list so you can verify it's authenticity by checking the voting thread.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 21 2010 01:52 GMT

#358

789 has been acting rather oddly.

he claims to have a theory about who FOUR of the mobsters are. There are only clues toward two, yet he has a theory for 4 out of the 7 mobsters. He won't post the list to help us speculate and now he is provoking the mafia to kill him. After asking the mafia to kill him he announced candidacy to avoid getting killed?

I don't even understand the logic from either the townie or mafia side.

If he releases the information and he gets killed, part of the town will assume his information was good and that's why he was silenced and the other part will assume the mafia is using reverse psychology. Either way, the mafia can create confusion. So if he isn't mafia and he releases that information, the mafia has no reason not to kill him.

If he is Mafia, I don't really see what he's trying to do. Cause panic?

I'm reluctant to paint anyone red right now, but perhaps t_co?

Firstly, he is trying to draw a connection between me and meeple that is pretty transparent. It seems to me (I could be wrong, I really would like to hear a bit more of t_co's reasoning here) that he is trying to cause mistrust?

Also, he put the most effort into his campaign for mayor/sheriff and now he is saying we should lynch the mayor no matter who it is, which seems awfully strange to me.

If he is mafia, this all makes sense. He can convince the town to get rid of the mayor who has three votes, which would really help the mafia out by reducing town voting power. Also the mafia could be trying to breed distrust toward who they see as active/dangerous townies.

Going off of clues, I'd say [NyC]Hobbes is the most likely, but even that is pretty iffy.