Incognito's TL Mafia XVI - Page 2

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 00:59 GMT

#637

Also, to those who suggested that t_co may not go with the will of the town when using his triple vote, I acknowledge this danger and thus retract my desire to have him as mayor. However, please leave him alive for day 2 at least.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:05 GMT

#641

I just want to throw this out here:

# of posts in this thread:
DoctorHelvetica : 129
meeple : 72
789 : 61
Bill Murray : 59
citi.zen : 55
t_co : 40
Jugan : 22
Zona : 21
[NyC]HoBbes : 18
flamewheel91 : 17
blue_arrow : 15
Nikoner : 12
dreamflower : 11
Incognito : 10
The_Master : 10
Ser Aspi : 10
Abenson : 9
Qatol : 9
Mystlord : 7
CynanMachae : 7
Ng5 : 6
Hyperbola : 4
QuickStriker : 4
Ace : 3
Jayme : 3
Phrujbaz : 3
tredmasta : 3
ghote : 3
Faronel : 3
keit : 2
dinmsab : 2
derfboy : 1
kane]deth[ : 1
StimiLant : 1
magicbullet : 1
Ver : 1
Jonoman92 : 1
skronch : 1
Fallen_arK : 1

Some may say this list is useful for the mafia - and while this is true, they could compile this list on their own without revealing it for the rest of the town to use. Also, this list is useful for our medics as well.

I am most wary of participants who post very little. Mafia who post a lot eventually are more likely to reveal some information about themselves. Those that post very little (but perhaps enough to avoid modkills) are the ones the town will have the hardest time reading.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:06 GMT

#643

I want him to be left alive simply because he is posting a lot. As well, someone who doesn't agree readily with everyone else is beneficial to the town, at least in the early days.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:09 GMT

#645

Faronel has 4 posts in the thread, 2 before the game started (which don't count), one which agrees with t_co's odd reasoning about killing the mayor right away, and then another asking why people are changing their votes to favor t_co. But the cap is that Faronel voted for t_co 5 hours BEFORE he agreed with t_co's reasoning, without giving a reason for it. And this has been pointed out earlier in the thread without any response on Faronel's part.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:09 GMT

#646

On January 22 2010 10:08 meeple wrote:
Very nice, I hadn't thought of that. Still you have defended t_co but not given an alternate solution. Who would you see go?

On January 22 2010 09:58 Zona wrote:
I suggest lynching Faronel. Unlike other suggestions of hidden alliances, Faronel's few actions in this game DO link him to t_co, and unlike t_co, Faronel has not contributed a lot to the thread.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:13 GMT

#648

If Faronel turns out town, this would actually not provide us that much information (t_co could still very well be mafia, but I would be far less suspicious in this case). But since Faronel has not been posting a lot, I feel this is a minor loss, although it is still a loss. It is unavoidable that the town will lose members in the game, though.

If Faronel turns out mafia, I think it is very incriminating for t_co.

Why Faronel over our other potentially useful candidates (t_co, or Hobbes)? Vs t_co, I've mentioned this before, but t_co is posting (and disagreeing), which is valuable in itself. Vs Hobbes, lynching Hobbes might hit mafia, but doesn't give us anything further to use. As well, clue-based lynches will become more accurate as we get more clues, so we can reserve this avenue for later.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:14 GMT

#649

I wrote a perl script to scrape post authors.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:18 GMT

#652

Since we can't edit, clarification:

I mean Faronel has 3 (not 4) posts in the thread, 1 which was before the game started.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:23 GMT

#659

If Faronel is mafia, I think t_co is worth lynching.

It is possible that Faronel has supported t_co without having previous connections to him, but more than one poster has mentioned this theory before (citi.zen, for example) about Faronel's actions in this thread, and Faronel hasn't responded in any way.

I'm against a t_co lynch because he's posting. A lynch of Faronel is a lynch of a person who isn't that active and might shed some light on t_co (although Faronel turning up townie does NOT clear t_co).

Actually, stepping back, I've just realized that my actions can be construed as me/t_co being mafia knowing that Faronel is not, but whether or not you guys think this course of action is reasonable depends on how much you think Faronel's actions are him supporting t_co or him randomly agreeing with t_co and earlier voting for him.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:28 GMT

#663

Yes, re-reading t_co's posts have made me like his arguments less, which is why I have retracted my aim of having him become mayor. Like some have said, he might not use his powers the way the town wants him to.

The core of my aim is that at this point, I would rather leave active participants alive.

We have 34 players and we have to find 7 mafia among them. t_co is a top 6 poster and is revealing a lot of information about him/herself. We have 14 players with 1-5 posts, 2 players with 0 posts. Low-participation mafia members will be a lot harder to identify.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:31 GMT

#668

Hobbes has been active in discussing the clues, though.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:35 GMT

#673

On January 22 2010 10:23 Nikoner wrote:
At first I hadn't realised that Bill Murray has been posting so much... and most, if not all, of his posts are like this:

Show nested quote +

Which doesn't even make sense, since it will most likely lead to us lynching 2 townies, if anything...

I don't want this point to get overlooked. A lot of Bill Murray's posts have not been useful. Many one-liners, and other posts asking for medic protection since for whatever reason he thinks he is a high profile target.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:39 GMT

#683

While some of you might see the Faronel link as weak, the whole link was mentioned more than a day ago and this person has not responded to it NOR participated in ANY discussion since. I do agree that if Faronel turns out to be townie, that we gain no information, but right now I don't see any lynch candidate that gives us information no matter what the target turns out to be.

I do feel that Faronel is one of the players who is not active enough to be useful, and among such inactive players, might possibly provide us information when he is lynched.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:42 GMT

#687

In any case, I think meeple should make his (you are a he? I tire of typing his/her) own choice. That way later on his decisions can be examined, and he can't use the excuse of "I was just going along with the town's consensus" to explain away decisions.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:44 GMT

#690

Actually - at this point, it is possible to have DrH as mayor, rather than meeples - and for unexplainable reasons, it is something I am considering.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:47 GMT

#693

On January 22 2010 10:45 CynanMachae wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well if was only a step forward from you suspecting him, that he might be mafia

Well I think it was basically to negate Bill Murray's possible townie-looking high post count. Most of his many posts are junk. We don't have anything solid right now to say someone is mafia or town, only shades of gray.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 01:56 GMT

#698

we're not saying ALL your posts are junk. We're saying that the number of useful posts you have made is much lower than the 60-some odd TOTAL posts you have.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 02:04 GMT

#707

The more I re-read t_co's posts, the more in favor of lynching him I become.

He doesn't seem to have a single post related to analyzing clues at all.

Also, I revised my script to drop non-players and include non-posting players:

DoctorHelvetica: 129
meeple: 72
789: 61
Bill Murray: 59
citi.zen: 55
t_co: 40
Jugan: 22
Zona: 21
[NyC]HoBbes: 18
flamewheel91: 17
blue_arrow: 15
Nikoner: 12
The_Master: 10
Ser Aspi: 10
Abenson: 9
CynanMachae: 7
Mystlord: 7
Ng5: 6
Hyperbola: 4
Phrujbaz: 3
Faronel: 3
ghote: 3
Jayme: 3
tredmasta: 3
keit: 2
dinmsab: 2
magicbullet: 1
derfboy: 1
Fallen_arK: 1
kane]deth[: 1
StimiLant: 1
skronch: 1
ohN: 0
JohannesH: 0

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 02:05 GMT

#711

Err, scratch that. I forgot to download a new copy of the page, since my script doesn't know how to log into teamliquid =(

DoctorHelvetica: 141
meeple: 84
Bill Murray: 66
789: 61
citi.zen: 55
t_co: 40
Zona: 38
Jugan: 22
flamewheel91: 18
[NyC]HoBbes: 18
Nikoner: 17
CynanMachae: 16
blue_arrow: 15
Ser Aspi: 12
Abenson: 11
The_Master: 11
Mystlord: 8
Ng5: 6
Hyperbola: 4
Jayme: 4
Phrujbaz: 3
Faronel: 3
ghote: 3
tredmasta: 3
keit: 2
dinmsab: 2
magicbullet: 1
derfboy: 1
Fallen_arK: 1
kane]deth[: 1
StimiLant: 1
skronch: 1
ohN: 0
JohannesH: 0

Zona

40426 Posts

January 22 2010 02:12 GMT

#730

Here's the perl script for others to use in case I die tonight. Save the entire thread as page.htm

use strict;
use warnings;

my @players = split '\n', "Ng5
magicbullet
Abenson
DoctorHelvetica
citi.zen
ohN
The_Master
Jayme
CynanMachae
blue_arrow
Hyperbola
Mystlord
Fallen_arK
t_co
tredmasta
StimiLant
Faronel
meeple
Bill Murray
ghote
789
flamewheel91
Nikoner
Phrujbaz
Zona
Ser Aspi
derfboy
Jugan
keit
JohannesH
kane]deth[
skronch
dinmsab
[NyC]HoBbes";

open my $inp, '<', 'page.htm';
my @page_content = <$inp>;

my $page_content = join '', @page_content;

my @posts = split "style='vertical-align:middle;' alt=''>&nbsp;", $page_content;

shift @posts;

my %n_posts;

foreach my $a_player (@players) {
  $n_posts{$a_player} = 0;
}
foreach my $one_post (@posts) {
  (my $author) = $one_post =~ /(.*?) &nbsp/;
  if (exists $n_posts{$author}) {
    ++$n_posts{$author};
  }
}
foreach my $k (reverse sort {$n_posts{$a} <=> $n_posts{$b} } keys %n_posts) {
  print "$k: $n_posts{$k}\n";
}

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