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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 17 2014 10:28 Swords wrote:
The problem with Forg1ven is it's steadily becoming clear that his attitude might well be a detriment to the team. Between throwing his teammates under the bus on twitter, and apparently screaming at them at the end of game 2 just now I'm not sure keeping his talent on board is going to be worth it if he demoralizes the entire team and consistently puts himself at risk of getting suspended or banned by Riot.
The guy should learn to control his emotions or he's going to waste a lot of talent.
It might work for them.
Riot are still retarded if they're going to pull bans for high elo players just because they're flaming someone. It was part of MOBAs forever, Pendragon just fucking has to have a clue how was it in DotA and tell to Nick Allen, that he's doing shit wrong.
They're not role models, they're players and they're getting paid for playing games. If they're not acting like Terror on Afreeca, it's all ok. And if you follow someone as role model, then live with idea that he's not ideal as well.
And about team, i guess, someone just has to say to cowTard and YoungBuck that they're mediocre as best. Let's say - they're not bad, but they're not good. If CW are ok with being on this vague line between relegations and LCS - then okay, keep them. If you want to be contenders for Worlds - oh boy, better for you to find someone else and move YoungBuck to coach role with dropping cowTard.
I still wonder, could CW-2013 just smash competition this season or not if Rekkles and Shook were playing. C9E are same to them in some cases.
On April 17 2014 10:36 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:16 Slusher wrote:On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... ? pretty sure this split has no effect on worlds invites I meant all stars. I thought it was top 3 teams for it?
Woot?
If Fnatic wins tomorrow, they will go into Invitational tournament against SKT T1 K, OMG, TPA and C9/TSM/CLG.
Froggen and Diamondprox will go into All-Stars.
If SK wins, they will go into Invitational, Rekkles and xPeke will go into All-Stars.
On April 17 2014 10:33 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:23 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 17 2014 10:18 Slusher wrote:On April 17 2014 10:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... I will still pick them and Fnatic for Worlds if EU get 3 spots, SK are seem more and more as one-trick ponies and Roccat are adapting way too slow to changes. Next 1-2 patches will basically tell us who will go. But seriously, Alex looks pissed as hell when speaking about patch. Guess, he was enjoying being sick assassin for such long time that he almost forgot grim farming days of S2. the problem with the s2 farm meta in s4 is the passive gold is so high it's so hard to gain an advantage through cs Almost everything with season 4 is a problem, let's be honest :D S3 was by far the best season in League and i'm playing it since beta. I hadn't seen a duolanes who hadn't whined at least at some point about trinkets and stuff and now midlane is switched into farmfest without making plays and killing stuff around the map. Junglers are already farming money, let's now switch toplane meta to double ap every game and we're done with it. On April 17 2014 10:18 Redox wrote:On April 17 2014 10:10 Slusher wrote:
if M gets relegated I'd take Kev1n over youngbuck (doubt thats a popular opinion tho) Youngbuck is the leader of the team tho, so that makes him much less likely to be replaced I think. But I can also imagine there will be problems with Forg1ven. He might threaten to leave the team or demand others are replaced. Forgiven just earned prize for worst clutcher EU, i guess if Wolves don't switch playstyle which is getting highly favoured in 4.5 it seems, they will save him but if they want to be way more aggressive like they were with Shook and Rekkles, idk. Good to know I'm not the only one who hates Season 4. I've quit playing League entirely cause of this and I've always thought League was a great game. Season 3 was amazing. It was more fun to watch and play.
I was always a dota-main player, but enjoying League in timeouts between scrims was always good, especially because of colours and differences in game planning and game speed. And right now, game became just extremely one-dimensional, that's sad.
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On April 17 2014 10:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... I will still pick them and Fnatic for Worlds if EU get 3 spots, SK are seem more and more as one-trick ponies and Roccat are adapting way too slow to changes. Next 1-2 patches will basically tell us who will go. But seriously, Alex looks pissed as hell when speaking about patch. Guess, he was enjoying being sick assassin for such long time that he almost forgot grim farming days of S2.
He should be pissed. Alex was always the manly mid laner of EU. While xPeke, ocelote, and Froggen would all play bullshit boring farm all day champions Alex would try and wreck their shit with early aggression and kills. It's his play style and Diamond's play style that made Gambit/M5 famous in the first place. In S3 Alex got to unleash his preferred play style to its potential and punish the sissy unmanly bitch mid laners of EU once and for all. Cementing himself not only as EU's All Star but as the undisputed king of European mid lane.
Then S4 hits and Riot decides to nerf early aggression. Suddenly the "please let me farm and never hurt me sir" mid laners like Froggen and xPeke are on top again while Alex has to subdue his raging manhood.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 17 2014 10:48 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... I will still pick them and Fnatic for Worlds if EU get 3 spots, SK are seem more and more as one-trick ponies and Roccat are adapting way too slow to changes. Next 1-2 patches will basically tell us who will go. But seriously, Alex looks pissed as hell when speaking about patch. Guess, he was enjoying being sick assassin for such long time that he almost forgot grim farming days of S2. He should be pissed. Alex was always the manly mid laner of EU. While xPeke, ocelote, and Froggen would all play bullshit boring farm all day champions Alex would try and wreck their shit with early aggression and kills. It's his play style and Diamond's play style that made Gambit/M5 famous in the first place. In S3 Alex got to unleash his preferred play style to its potential and punish the sissy unmanly bitch mid laners of EU once and for all. Cementing himself not only as EU's All Star but as the undisputed king of European mid lane. Then S4 hits and Riot decides to nerf early aggression. Suddenly the "please let me farm and never hurt me sir" mid laners like Froggen and xPeke are on top again while Alex has to subdue his raging manhood.
You're undervaluing Froggen a lot, he's by far is a best midlaner in EU right now and he plays everything. They are on top with Alex since s2, xPeke is somewhere behind them and ocelote fell a lot since Season 2.
Was expected though but Europe got Bjergsen, nukeduck, Tabzz who switched into adc after MrRallez dropout from SNS and Febiven/Exileh right now are probably next wave.
And Alex was playing guys like Mordekaiser/Karthus/Ryze and Co a lot in S2 but you can't compare champion pool ofc. Amount of champions right now and back into S2 is sky and earth.
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Was pretty over the top exaggeration. Figured it was kind of obvious, my bad.
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Wow wtf. How the fuck did CW throw that game 2 away lol.
I think the problem is that Amazing built 2 MR items (Locket + Banshee's) vs only Ziggs. That felt like a waste to me especially in late game where he needs more armor. CW was also a bit too overconfident - they thought they could easily win a straight up 5v5 - but it didn't work out for them due to Amazing's poor initiation.
Gambit practically was given that win for free.
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On April 17 2014 10:36 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:16 Slusher wrote:On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... ? pretty sure this split has no effect on worlds invites I meant all stars. I thought it was top 3 teams for it?
no, allstars is only top 1 team, plus the top 2 fan voted players
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On April 17 2014 13:42 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:36 KissBlade wrote:On April 17 2014 10:16 Slusher wrote:On April 17 2014 10:14 KissBlade wrote:
Gambit or Alliance at Worlds but not both. Sigh ... ? pretty sure this split has no effect on worlds invites I meant all stars. I thought it was top 3 teams for it? no, allstars is only top 1 team, plus the top 2 fan voted players
Ah then w/e. Would've liked to see how Alliance do against Eastern teams but guess it's not happening then.
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On April 17 2014 08:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
GENJA A GOD GENJA THE GOD
Went to sleep with the computer still on, and sound turned down, a few minutes earlier. Then all of a sudden I hear the commentary clearly because Deman is yelling until I hear a "IT'S THE PENTAKILL!".
On April 17 2014 09:20 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 09:18 Vega62a wrote:
Darien on Irelia for the 3rd time. I feel like he doesn't want to win. I mean considering how far behind they were and that the game still went to 6 items for all players Irelia is a strong pick
What. Irelia is a midgame champion that falls off hard, unless you're using immobile, cc-less champions I'm not even sure she's going to outdamage freaking Renekton in the lategame.
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Judging by how this 3d treated him, why is there no riot yet about the news that Quickshot will cast NA playoffs?
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Well, I think CW actually proved themselves this week. They played 2 great games, 2 solid ones and then 2 where no one knew what to do so Forgiven, Amazing and Unlimited just watched Cowtard and Youngbuck make stupid mistakes and wished it was over. Youngbuck imho is CW's Aranae, he thinks he's one of the best in his role, so he plays lots of different champions and while he actually utilizes their strengths well, he also makes lots of stupid mistakes. Cowtard... He's just outclassed by Alex, Froggen and even Jesiz. I think CW with someone like Shiptur or even fucking Mcloud would be top2 in Europe. I don't know what to think about Gambit anymore, but they are definitely no longer my fav team, so I guess I'm full on SK train.
I wish ROC vs ALL was BO5, but should be exciting games nevertheless. Everyone in FNC seems to be back in shape while some of SK's play yesterday was questionable, but I'd still give it to the latter. Let's hope for some good finals!
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Alex Ich basically lost his will to live trying to beat CW.
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On April 17 2014 18:44 AlterKot wrote:
Well, I think CW actually proved themselves this week. They played 2 great games, 2 solid ones and then 2 where no one knew what to do so Forgiven, Amazing and Unlimited just watched Cowtard and Youngbuck make stupid mistakes and wished it was over. Youngbuck imho is CW's Aranae, he thinks he's one of the best in his role, so he plays lots of different champions and while he actually utilizes their strengths well, he also makes lots of stupid mistakes. Cowtard... He's just outclassed by Alex, Froggen and even Jesiz. I think CW with someone like Shiptur or even fucking Mcloud would be top2 in Europe. I don't know what to think about Gambit anymore, but they are definitely no longer my fav team, so I guess I'm full on SK train.
I wish ROC vs ALL was BO5, but should be exciting games nevertheless. Everyone in FNC seems to be back in shape while some of SK's play yesterday was questionable, but I'd still give it to the latter. Let's hope for some good finals!
CW have figured some things out better than anyone (ie. early rotations, farm efficiency, earlygame jungler routes) and almost always manage a 2-3k lead, but they are totaly monolithic (ie. uga-uga) in many other aspects of the game. They often fight like they dont understand each others capabilities (like forg1ven having insane damage and nobody peeling for him), fight when they have no mana, fight without shopping first with big cash on the bank, or scared to fight at all even when its blantanly obvious that they will crush the fight. Their communication seems off, its highly possible that they often have contradicting calls. This could be a drawback of amazing, because i have played some soloq games with him and he wasnt versatile at all. He was non stop giving orders and calls to the team, while not accepting any and saying that we will lose if we dont do as he say. Also its obvious that some of them have nerve issues in important matches, while some other(s) have attitude issues.
Having said that, their potential as a team is high even with their mediocre solo laners. Thats why their no1 priority should be to get a good coach (a real coach not youngbuck, duh) to work with them on fixing all these issues, while roster changes in 1 or 2 positions should only be 2nd priority.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On April 17 2014 10:28 Swords wrote:
The problem with Forg1ven is it's steadily becoming clear that his attitude might well be a detriment to the team. Between throwing his teammates under the bus on twitter, and apparently screaming at them at the end of game 2 just now I'm not sure keeping his talent on board is going to be worth it if he demoralizes the entire team and consistently puts himself at risk of getting suspended or banned by Riot.
The guy should learn to control his emotions or he's going to waste a lot of talent.
He's been a rager since time immemorial, even before he hit #1 on EUNE and while climbing the EUW ladder. Idk, he's pretty weird, he can be really friendly, he duoQs with random people a lot for fun, but then something goes wrong and he just shouts. I think he's just really bad at expressing himself in a civilized way, with some people you just have to not take their shouting and insults not seriously and it's fine. I don't think it's impossible to manage.
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On April 18 2014 00:18 orzeu wrote:
Quickshot for final...
Quickshot is flying to NA for the weekend. I think they're doing tri cast both matches.
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On April 17 2014 22:57 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 10:28 Swords wrote:
The problem with Forg1ven is it's steadily becoming clear that his attitude might well be a detriment to the team. Between throwing his teammates under the bus on twitter, and apparently screaming at them at the end of game 2 just now I'm not sure keeping his talent on board is going to be worth it if he demoralizes the entire team and consistently puts himself at risk of getting suspended or banned by Riot.
The guy should learn to control his emotions or he's going to waste a lot of talent. He's been a rager since time immemorial, even before he hit #1 on EUNE and while climbing the EUW ladder. Idk, he's pretty weird, he can be really friendly, he duoQs with random people a lot for fun, but then something goes wrong and he just shouts. I think he's just really bad at expressing himself in a civilized way, with some people you just have to not take their shouting and insults not seriously and it's fine. I don't think it's impossible to manage.
Yeah, I mean everyone's different - there are plenty of pro-athletes who are dicks and their teammates are able to deal with it just fine. I'd just heard rumors that his teammates were getting fed up with him, especially after he essentially said he was tired of carrying YoungBuck and Cowtard (which isn't an inaccurate statement). If even his teammates are pissed at him, the people who should know best not to take him seriously, then it might become somewhat hard to manage.
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On April 18 2014 00:18 orzeu wrote:
Quickshot for final...
teach your mind to tune him out. There are so many bad casters between NA/EU that you might aswell get good at it :p
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On April 18 2014 00:19 SimulatedAnneal wrote:Quickshot is flying to NA for the weekend. I think they're doing tri cast both matches.
Really? Thanks god.
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On April 18 2014 00:20 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 00:19 SimulatedAnneal wrote:On April 18 2014 00:18 orzeu wrote:
Quickshot for final... Quickshot is flying to NA for the weekend. I think they're doing tri cast both matches. Really? Thanks god.
Yeah well he'll be casting even more in NA so that's not better in any case (for quickshot haters anyways)
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On April 18 2014 00:19 SimulatedAnneal wrote:Quickshot is flying to NA for the weekend. I think they're doing tri cast both matches.
Sweet Jesus, are we actually going to get Quickshot + Rivington?
If that happens I'm listening on mute to prevent giving myself a brain aneurysm.
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