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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:20 Woony wrote: I don't think there's a way to make group stages without the possibilities of throwing- How can you throw in Swiss-format groups? | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
I've never heard that term in my life, just suspenders. Maybe an international thing though. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:20 Woony wrote: I don't think there's a way to make group stages without the possibilities of throwing- The reason why there is even a question of throwing is because seeding from groups doesn't actually matter so Fnatic doesn't care if they advance 1st or 2nd. If it mattered, then their first seed would be in potential danger depending on who else advanced, and people wouldn't accuse them of throwing because they actually still would have a vested interest in the outcome of the game. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:22 ketchup wrote: Suspenders are definitely the only term I know of it. What did translator provide you with? "galluses" "pair of suspenders" "pair of braces" and others  I'm sure they all work in some way, I just wondered what the most common term was so I don't sound silly or very old fashioned or whatever. | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
Was actually out for lunch that game, so I couldn't watch, but I never had a worry or doubt in my mind that Fnatic would stomp Gambit like they've done every other time in the last half year ^^ | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:21 Numy wrote: Can't be serious? There's the tried and true "OGN/GSL/ect." method where it's not a true round robin but instead a mini double elim bracket for each group. It works perfectly in removing any incentives to throw. I mean with round robin group play where everyone plays everyone. | ||
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MagnusWolf
United States483 Posts
In the US we generally call them suspenders. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
From today I am a fnatic fan | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:23 TheYango wrote: The reason why there is even a question of throwing is because seeding from groups doesn't actually matter so Fnatic doesn't care if they advance 1st or 2nd. If it mattered, then their first seed would be in potential danger depending on who else advanced, and people wouldn't accuse them of throwing because they actually still would have a vested interest in the outcome of the game. If it mattered they could still throw depending on the seeding. I've definitely seen that before. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:24 Chexx wrote: From a Inven netizens: 오늘부터 프나틱 팬이다 From today I am a fnatic fan Ozone confirmed for disowned. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
If Ozone wins, then Gambit needs to beat Vulcun to be tied (assuming Ozone beats Mineski), if they lose Ozone advances. Hopefully some nice deciding matches. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:24 Chexx wrote: From a Inven netizens: 오늘부터 프나틱 팬이다 From today I am a fnatic fan Korean fangirls are now aware of xpeke. Their bodies aren't ready. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:23 Woony wrote: I mean with round robin group play where everyone plays everyone. Ah well there's two ways of doing that. One is to making seeding important which can be done multiple ways. Just off the top of my head is having the first seed pick who they play in playoff stage. Another way is having a double elim bracket where top seeded teams go to WB and bottom go to LB while 1st seeded gets to choose. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:23 TheYango wrote: The reason why there is even a question of throwing is because seeding from groups doesn't actually matter so Fnatic doesn't care if they advance 1st or 2nd. If it mattered, then their first seed would be at risk, and people wouldn't accuse them of throwing because they actually still would have a vested interest in the outcome of the game. Only in the current situation. Even with seeding, there are still 'throw' possibilities. IE, if Fnatic didn't lose vs Vulcun, they would still be guaranteed 1 seed if they lost 1 game to gambit. I think with round robin, it is pretty hard to avoid. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:23 TheYango wrote: The reason why there is even a question of throwing is because seeding from groups doesn't actually matter so Fnatic doesn't care if they advance 1st or 2nd. If it mattered, then their first seed would be in potential danger depending on who else advanced, and people wouldn't accuse them of throwing because they actually still would have a vested interest in the outcome of the game. You're giving people far too much credit, I need to remind you that Gambit was accused of throwing their first match against Fnatic. It has little to do with reason, people just like to stir up drama | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:24 Woony wrote: If it mattered they could still throw depending on the seeding. Not if your format always makes 1st seed a definitive advantage. The only time throwing to become second seed is advantageous is also if your format sucks and you create a scenario where first seed is always better. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 22 2013 05:25 Numy wrote: Ah well there's two ways of doing that. One is to making seeding important which can be done multiple ways. Just off the top of my head is having the first seed pick who they play in playoff stage. Another way is having a double elim bracket where top seeded teams go to WB and bottom go to LB while 1st seeded gets to choose. Double elim is not round robin... | ||
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