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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
September 16 2013 06:40 GMT
#4681
Oh wow..I'm really disappointed by ozone showing not even the slightest respect to other teams, which could explain the dumb individual/small plays in laning phase thinking they could out power them like they're some no name team. And that cold shoulder. Especially that cold shoulder. I don't know, it's even worse since I'm korean as well. Damn did they lose so many fans tonight.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 16 2013 06:40 GMT
#4682
On September 16 2013 15:38 Kuja900 wrote:
Imagine the shitstorm if Ozone loses to Fnatic too. I cant wait.


They won't. Gambit are the Korea killers, Fnatic aren't even good enough to beat NA teams.
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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:42:55
September 16 2013 06:41 GMT
#4683
On September 16 2013 15:37 Dan HH wrote:
Why do they keep referring to Gambit as a dark horse, it doesn't fit in any way

Dark horse just means that they don't know much about the team, so it's hard to predict their performance. It's not necessarily the 'underdog'

and it's not like the mineski vs gambit game gave much useful info, so they were still the dark horse :D
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 16 2013 06:41 GMT
#4684
so that kog maw built distortion boots i believe for flash cdr

is that something that happens often?
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:42:55
September 16 2013 06:41 GMT
#4685
On September 16 2013 15:34 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 15:33 cascades wrote:
On September 16 2013 15:29 Navi wrote:
from a mechanics standpoint, i feel ozone is still the #1 team in the world. dade for all his fuckups that game still can play the flash reaction and etc. etc. very well.

however, dade's mental state and their general early game plans and picks seem lacking from watching this first game. dade's still picking ryze as though this was several patches before (when ryze still had the range to effectively harass ahri without risk of getting charmed as long as he had movespeed parity or advantage) and obviously his gameplay and scores speak for themselves.

yango and i were joking that this is the faker effect - all the mids faker has crushed in the reverse sweeps (ryu, and now dade) seem to be less clutch and have less mental fortitude vs the opponents that matter. i hope he can wake up and pick his shit up in day 2.


Dade's was never on Faker's level. Been saying this ever since that 3 kings bullshit. That being said I hope it's him playing Ryze and not him being mentally crushed.


never said dade was on faker's level. but when you look at the entirety of ozone's lineup (dandy, imp, and mata) i cannot think of three players in those positions that are as a whole significantly better mechanically at all.


How is ozone the #1 team in the world from mechanics standpoint then? Imp isn't better than Piglet either. I grant you that dandy and mata pretty good. I forgot much about mata mechanics, not on the level of godlife, I rmb more about his vision control.
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:42:28
September 16 2013 06:41 GMT
#4686
On September 16 2013 15:40 billy5000 wrote:
Oh wow..I'm really disappointed by ozone showing not even the slightest respect to other teams, which could explain the dumb individual/small plays in laning phase thinking they could out power them like they're some no name team.And that cold shoulder. Especially that cold shoulder. I don't know, it's even worse since I'm korean as well. Damn did they lose so many fans tonight.


Get over yourself and put your pitch fork away.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9174 Posts
September 16 2013 06:42 GMT
#4687
It's silly to write off Fnatic after a lost Bo1 with an 0-2 level 1 fight.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 16 2013 06:42 GMT
#4688
well, on the positive side, dade won't pick ryze again in this tournament
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 16 2013 06:42 GMT
#4689
Gambit is awesome at killing koreans : )
Jaedong :3
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 16 2013 06:42 GMT
#4690
I wonder if Looper only plays Singed, like a Korean version of Only Rengar or Best Riven NA, and once people figure that out Ozone will go back to Homme.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 16 2013 06:42 GMT
#4691
On September 16 2013 15:37 Dan HH wrote:
Why do they keep referring to Gambit as a dark horse, it doesn't fit in any way


Well there are no real major underdog pics because nobody believes for a second in the bottom tier teams here. Everybody else made it to worlds... You can be a dark horse at the start of a season, not after the qualification these teams went through. The category is silly so they basically use it to describe non-korean teams which are widely viewed as the favorites.
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
September 16 2013 06:43 GMT
#4692
On September 16 2013 15:41 Complete wrote:
so that kog maw built distortion boots i believe for flash cdr

is that something that happens often?


It's Genja. You can't explain Genja. The fact that he built a Triforce, and did well with it hurts my head. I don't know what to say to that aside from Genja is someone who can do that.
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:44:52
September 16 2013 06:43 GMT
#4693
On September 16 2013 15:38 Vonthin wrote:
I want to believe Ozone is jet lagged or just not using their normal strats and champions but after that game that was just embarrassing. Gambit didn't make any mistakes while Ozone made mistake after mistake and I still don't understand the Ryze pick, did the awesome MVP coach not go with them with the transfer or something?


I think Ozone trying too hard to hide their strats. I mean, you don't really pick 2 late scaling champs with Singed and expect to win laning phase or even come out of it unscathed against a veteran team like Gambit. I mean like half a year ago Blaze straight up lost to Gambit.

The dancing coach is no longer with them.

On September 16 2013 15:43 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 15:41 Complete wrote:
so that kog maw built distortion boots i believe for flash cdr

is that something that happens often?


It's Genja. You can't explain Genja. The fact that he built a Triforce, and did well with it hurts my head. I don't know what to say to that aside from Genja is someone who can do that.


Triforce kinda makes sense in the way that it does Tons of Damage as opposed to BotRK which lets you trade efficiently but not the best in mid game team fights. Perhaps that allowed Kog to scale more gradually rather than suddenly peaking in late game.
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4694
On September 16 2013 15:42 Dan HH wrote:
It's silly to write off Fnatic after a lost Bo1 with an 0-2 level 1 fight.


Did you not see the Mineski game where they couldn't end it? It took them around 20 more minutes to end a game when it was done at the 15-20 min mark.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4695
On September 16 2013 15:33 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 15:29 Navi wrote:
from a mechanics standpoint, i feel ozone is still the #1 team in the world. dade for all his fuckups that game still can play the flash reaction and etc. etc. very well.

however, dade's mental state and their general early game plans and picks seem lacking from watching this first game. dade's still picking ryze as though this was several patches before (when ryze still had the range to effectively harass ahri without risk of getting charmed as long as he had movespeed parity or advantage) and obviously his gameplay and scores speak for themselves.

yango and i were joking that this is the faker effect - all the mids faker has crushed in the reverse sweeps (ryu, and now dade) seem to be less clutch and have less mental fortitude vs the opponents that matter. i hope he can wake up and pick his shit up in day 2.


Cool next in line to be hit by the Faker effect at this rate.

Win the first game you play, lose your soul after the rest

It's okay. Bengi still recovering from loveline's map domination
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:48:06
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4696
On September 16 2013 15:40 billy5000 wrote:
Oh wow..I'm really disappointed by ozone showing not even the slightest respect to other teams, which could explain the dumb individual/small plays in laning phase thinking they could out power them like they're some no name team. And that cold shoulder. Especially that cold shoulder. I don't know, it's even worse since I'm korean as well. Damn did they lose so many fans tonight.


put your pitchfork away, Koreans don't have the custom of shaking hands after games, he didn't realize what was going on. When he did he got up shook dariens hand and fucking bowed. stop trying to create drama
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 06:45:49
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4697
On September 16 2013 15:41 cascades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 15:34 Navi wrote:
On September 16 2013 15:33 cascades wrote:
On September 16 2013 15:29 Navi wrote:
from a mechanics standpoint, i feel ozone is still the #1 team in the world. dade for all his fuckups that game still can play the flash reaction and etc. etc. very well.

however, dade's mental state and their general early game plans and picks seem lacking from watching this first game. dade's still picking ryze as though this was several patches before (when ryze still had the range to effectively harass ahri without risk of getting charmed as long as he had movespeed parity or advantage) and obviously his gameplay and scores speak for themselves.

yango and i were joking that this is the faker effect - all the mids faker has crushed in the reverse sweeps (ryu, and now dade) seem to be less clutch and have less mental fortitude vs the opponents that matter. i hope he can wake up and pick his shit up in day 2.


Dade's was never on Faker's level. Been saying this ever since that 3 kings bullshit. That being said I hope it's him playing Ryze and not him being mentally crushed.


never said dade was on faker's level. but when you look at the entirety of ozone's lineup (dandy, imp, and mata) i cannot think of three players in those positions that are as a whole significantly better mechanically at all.


How is ozone the #1 team in the world from mechanics standpoint then? Imp isn't better than Piglet either.


i'd say the two are comparable. but i'd favor dandy over bengi for certain, homme has matched up decently vs impact in the past, and now looper seems quite impressive (from his singed play lolol). they can make certain skirmish comps (such as comps that would be otherwise fatally affected by massive aoe) work by the sheer mechanical skills of things such as dandy's elise rappels, etc. that I have yet to see any other team do.

i'm a madlife fan too, but you would be ignorant to call him straight up on a higher level than mata. madlife perhaps has more playmaking sense, but mata has come up just as clutch quite often and tends to use flash better defensively.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4698
Done an analysis of the game on ts3 but why not repeat it here
GG places no wards lvl1, which is pretty curious.
Dendy then goes and camps top for like 90 seconds as if to countergank even though it shoulda been kinda obvious that Diamond is not gonna gank there because of the 0 ward business. Unless he tried to call the doublebluff, but w/e.
Diamond farms, which is why he is so good.
Dendy tries to countergank middle, but has level disadvantage because he's done fall all game. Level advantage > element of surprise.
Snowball
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 16 2013 06:44 GMT
#4699
One thing that surprised me was all the aggressive flashing from Ozone considering how late-gate-oriented their team comp was.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
September 16 2013 06:45 GMT
#4700
On September 16 2013 15:41 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 15:40 billy5000 wrote:
Oh wow..I'm really disappointed by ozone showing not even the slightest respect to other teams, which could explain the dumb individual/small plays in laning phase thinking they could out power them like they're some no name team.And that cold shoulder. Especially that cold shoulder. I don't know, it's even worse since I'm korean as well. Damn did they lose so many fans tonight.


Get over yourself and put your pitch fork away.


Fair enough. Regardless, the lack of respect still holds true.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
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