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On June 29 2013 13:22 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:21 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:20 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast DL can ult Zed after he uses ult (then zed will W/R back) but then DL can jump away. Also he has barrier as well. And he'd see him coming a mile away since he was playing super safe farming bot. still two levels behind. He just needs to set it up properly. Easy kill Those skills have no level reliance at all. Easier said than done to "set it up properly" unless DL isn't paying attention and doesn't use his skills. Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:11 iCanada wrote:On June 29 2013 13:06 LaM wrote:On June 29 2013 13:05 iCanada wrote:On June 29 2013 13:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Replace Saint with jiji plz. All Jiji has on saint is smiting ability. I know he been playing poorly, but come on. I think Jiji, even without considering his smiting ability, has been as good if not better than Saint this split. Add in smiting and he's a better jungler after doing it for ~1.5 months? How so? Jiji put out no map pressure at all on Zac during laning. And he didn't even get that much farm. Jiji also retardedly passive. 45 minute game hasn't even popped his passive because he has literally never engaged a fight. I think this was mostly due to the team comp CLG was playing. They were playing all poke and no engage so Zac never really needed to be in the middle of the fight other than to disrupt if they tried to engage (which Vulcan was hardly ever able to do).
It was still laning till the 25 minute mark...
Xmithie put out a ton more map presence and outfarmed Jiji for the majority of the game. I dunno, its great that CLG had a solid plan and utilized it for the whole game, but Jiji didn't really do much aside from keep up in farm and be out of map vision.
He didn't play poorly, but he could have impacted the game much much more.
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On June 29 2013 13:25 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:22 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:21 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:20 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast DL can ult Zed after he uses ult (then zed will W/R back) but then DL can jump away. Also he has barrier as well. And he'd see him coming a mile away since he was playing super safe farming bot. still two levels behind. He just needs to set it up properly. Easy kill Those skills have no level reliance at all. Easier said than done to "set it up properly" unless DL isn't paying attention and doesn't use his skills. Max ultimate level has no reliance at all... are you sure? Zed only needs to to chunk dlift 50% hps while his ult is up. This is easily possibly. Even if Dlift gets away he can destroy the turret.
No chance he'll get close to 50%, especially since there's a lag time when zed's ult is activated where DL has more than quick enough reflexes to jump ult asap to get away while taking minimal damage (just ult midair once you know for sure you've cleared the shadows so you don't ult him the wrong way). And without ult, zed will lose to a trist that farmed.
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On June 29 2013 13:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I've been liking Kobe more and more. I didn't like him at first. He's pretty cool.
Yeah he kinda grew on me. He's a lot more knowledgeable than he sounds at first lol
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On June 29 2013 13:21 phathom321 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast The entire game zed had little to no impact after laning, he could have popped almost anyone with the amount of farm he had.
He needed to buy an oracles to do the strategy he was doing.
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On June 29 2013 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I've been liking Kobe more and more. I didn't like him at first. He's pretty cool. Yeah he kinda grew on me. He's a lot more knowledgeable than he sounds at first lol
RIGHT? I feel the same way, haha.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On June 29 2013 13:28 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:25 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:22 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:21 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:20 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast DL can ult Zed after he uses ult (then zed will W/R back) but then DL can jump away. Also he has barrier as well. And he'd see him coming a mile away since he was playing super safe farming bot. still two levels behind. He just needs to set it up properly. Easy kill Those skills have no level reliance at all. Easier said than done to "set it up properly" unless DL isn't paying attention and doesn't use his skills. Max ultimate level has no reliance at all... are you sure? Zed only needs to to chunk dlift 50% hps while his ult is up. This is easily possibly. Even if Dlift gets away he can destroy the turret. No chance he'll get close to 50%, especially since there's a lag time when zed's ult is activated where DL has more than quick enough reflexes to jump ult asap to get away while taking minimal damage (just ult midair once you know for sure you've cleared the shadows so you don't ult him the wrong way). And without ult, zed will lose to a trist that farmed.
Okay I pretend that you are right that one of the best Assasin in the game could not chunk an ADC but you need to admit that he would at least force dlift out of the lane to get the objective. I am pretty sure every Korean Zed player would have all ined dlift right at the spot. Even Dlift said that Mancloud have allin'ed him
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On June 29 2013 13:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 29 2013 13:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I've been liking Kobe more and more. I didn't like him at first. He's pretty cool. Yeah he kinda grew on me. He's a lot more knowledgeable than he sounds at first lol RIGHT? I feel the same way, haha.
Kobe has been my favorite caster! I've liked the guy since his days working for the TSM invitationals.I think he's very sincere when he speaks as opposed to say, Riv or Phreak who sound more automated.
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On June 29 2013 13:33 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:On June 29 2013 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 29 2013 13:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I've been liking Kobe more and more. I didn't like him at first. He's pretty cool. Yeah he kinda grew on me. He's a lot more knowledgeable than he sounds at first lol RIGHT? I feel the same way, haha. Kobe has been my favorite caster! I've liked the guy since his days working for the TSM invitationals.I think he's very sincere when he speaks as opposed to say, Riv or Phreak who sound more automated.
I agree on Riv, but I think Phreak has gotten more animated since being with Kobe. I think he has far less stellar performances with Jatt, but I think he just clicks right with Kobe.
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Not a big fan of this fiddle reveal so early in the picking stages. C9 has not even picked their jungler..
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NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz
Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play.
NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well.
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On June 29 2013 13:33 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:28 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:25 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:22 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:21 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:20 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast DL can ult Zed after he uses ult (then zed will W/R back) but then DL can jump away. Also he has barrier as well. And he'd see him coming a mile away since he was playing super safe farming bot. still two levels behind. He just needs to set it up properly. Easy kill Those skills have no level reliance at all. Easier said than done to "set it up properly" unless DL isn't paying attention and doesn't use his skills. Max ultimate level has no reliance at all... are you sure? Zed only needs to to chunk dlift 50% hps while his ult is up. This is easily possibly. Even if Dlift gets away he can destroy the turret. No chance he'll get close to 50%, especially since there's a lag time when zed's ult is activated where DL has more than quick enough reflexes to jump ult asap to get away while taking minimal damage (just ult midair once you know for sure you've cleared the shadows so you don't ult him the wrong way). And without ult, zed will lose to a trist that farmed. Okay I pretend that you are right that one of the best Assasin in the game could not chunk an ADC but you need to admit that he would at least force dlift out of the lane to get the objective. I am pretty sure every Korean Zed player would have all ined dlift right at the spot. Even Dlift said that Mancloud have allin'ed him
I agree, depending on how much damage is finally done after his combo, it would result in DL having to back or being able to stay and just lifesteal off minions. Depends on how safe DL feels to be able to heal back up before zed goes offensive again.
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On June 29 2013 13:42 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:33 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:28 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:25 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:22 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:21 Chexx wrote:On June 29 2013 13:20 beefhamburger wrote:On June 29 2013 13:17 Chexx wrote:
still confused why mancloud did not all in dlift when he was 16 and dlift 14.
Dlift would have popped so fast DL can ult Zed after he uses ult (then zed will W/R back) but then DL can jump away. Also he has barrier as well. And he'd see him coming a mile away since he was playing super safe farming bot. still two levels behind. He just needs to set it up properly. Easy kill Those skills have no level reliance at all. Easier said than done to "set it up properly" unless DL isn't paying attention and doesn't use his skills. Max ultimate level has no reliance at all... are you sure? Zed only needs to to chunk dlift 50% hps while his ult is up. This is easily possibly. Even if Dlift gets away he can destroy the turret. No chance he'll get close to 50%, especially since there's a lag time when zed's ult is activated where DL has more than quick enough reflexes to jump ult asap to get away while taking minimal damage (just ult midair once you know for sure you've cleared the shadows so you don't ult him the wrong way). And without ult, zed will lose to a trist that farmed. Okay I pretend that you are right that one of the best Assasin in the game could not chunk an ADC but you need to admit that he would at least force dlift out of the lane to get the objective. I am pretty sure every Korean Zed player would have all ined dlift right at the spot. Even Dlift said that Mancloud have allin'ed him I agree, depending on how much damage is finally done after his combo, it would result in DL having to back or being able to stay and just lifesteal off minions. Depends on how safe DL feels to be able to heal back up before zed goes offensive again.
I sorta feel that this argument is fairly pointless given that DL even said ManCloud could have just come down and popped him.
People have also said that ManCloud was way too passive for a 2/0, very farmed Zed.
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On June 29 2013 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play. NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well.
To be fair, I didn't think Nien is/would be a good Top Lane at the start of the season. From Week 1 to today, I think he's improved considerably. He's nowhere close to Dyrus/Voyboy level, much less capable of standing up with the Koreans. But Cheep thought Nien would be heavy like a rock and would never improve at all. I have no close ties to Nien but as a player, I thought he has more potential than Cheep was willing to give him.
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On June 29 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play. NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well. To be fair, I didn't think Nien is/would be a good Top Lane at the start of the season. From Week 1 to today, I think he's improved considerably. He's nowhere close to Dyrus/Voyboy level, much less capable of standing up with the Koreans. But Cheep thought Nien would be heavy like a rock and would never improve at all. I have no close ties to Nien but as a player, I thought he has more potential than Cheep was willing to give him.
Who is Cheep?
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On June 29 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play. NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well. To be fair, I didn't think Nien is/would be a good Top Lane at the start of the season. From Week 1 to today, I think he's improved considerably. He's nowhere close to Dyrus/Voyboy level, much less capable of standing up with the Koreans. But Cheep thought Nien would be heavy like a rock and would never improve at all. I have no close ties to Nien but as a player, I thought he has more potential than Cheep was willing to give him.
Yeaaaa....Cheep makes very mad comments. He's cute like that.
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United States37500 Posts
On June 29 2013 13:45 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 29 2013 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play. NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well. To be fair, I didn't think Nien is/would be a good Top Lane at the start of the season. From Week 1 to today, I think he's improved considerably. He's nowhere close to Dyrus/Voyboy level, much less capable of standing up with the Koreans. But Cheep thought Nien would be heavy like a rock and would never improve at all. I have no close ties to Nien but as a player, I thought he has more potential than Cheep was willing to give him. Who is Cheep?
Carnivious Sheep. Roffles' twin.
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United States37500 Posts
On June 29 2013 13:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 29 2013 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 13:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why is Cheep being called in here? Someone explain plz Cheep is/was very vocal about the bad quality of Nientonsoh's Top Lane play. NeoIllusions is 1. A CLG fan, and 2. A Nien fan and so calls in the cheepmobile to see the destruction any time Nien does well. To be fair, I didn't think Nien is/would be a good Top Lane at the start of the season. From Week 1 to today, I think he's improved considerably. He's nowhere close to Dyrus/Voyboy level, much less capable of standing up with the Koreans. But Cheep thought Nien would be heavy like a rock and would never improve at all. I have no close ties to Nien but as a player, I thought he has more potential than Cheep was willing to give him. Yeaaaa....Cheep makes very mad comments. He's cute like that.
Cheep is mad cute. :3
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Never seen Hai's TF. Hopefully he can keep the regi cards to a minimum
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
Jayce and TF on red side? only in NA
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