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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 10 2013 06:15 GMT
#1081
Wow. Frost in G2 picking Skarner into Ezreal Vi? Questionable at best.
Freeeeeeedom
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 10:29:59
March 10 2013 10:28 GMT
#1082
On March 10 2013 07:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Game three just finish for the rebroadcast, and I'm going to have to put that cjf loss on the fact that volibear did nothing in every team fight after his toss. I say this all the time, but autoing just isn't good enough in team fights for a tank. Toss and movement speed are amazing early game, but fall off hard. Ez not having very high dps only matters if the tank can't take care of someone that isn't the support. Now I'm not saying a tank needs to be able to 1v1 an adc/apc, but you can't be able to ignore the damage, or just jump right past the tank.


that's why we see more vi/xin zhao than alistar junglers these days right?
at least volibear has an ultimate to make his autos do meaningful damage.
he can still be easily kited during teamfights by random/accidental cc.
also yeah i was reading up this thread because i could only watch the VODs after the event finished and it really seems quiet in here. a bit sad because i like the forum here.

edit: maybe woong is getting too much flak but the direct comparison to captain jack is just brutal
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 10 2013 20:00 GMT
#1083
Volibear is not fundamentally better than he used to be. Just is a slightly different Udyr. Flip is better than Bear, but Udyr's damage is better.
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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
March 12 2013 05:13 GMT
#1084
On March 11 2013 05:00 cLutZ wrote:
Volibear is not fundamentally better than he used to be. Just is a slightly different Udyr. Flip is better than Bear, but Udyr's damage is better.


There's a big difference tho. Voli scales with hp, Udyr scales with resistances and ap. Resistances got a huge nerf in S3 w/ pen change, and hp got buffed. This makes voli a way better option in S3, even though nothing really changed.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 12 2013 05:32 GMT
#1085
On March 12 2013 14:13 czylu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 05:00 cLutZ wrote:
Volibear is not fundamentally better than he used to be. Just is a slightly different Udyr. Flip is better than Bear, but Udyr's damage is better.


There's a big difference tho. Voli scales with hp, Udyr scales with resistances and ap. Resistances got a huge nerf in S3 w/ pen change, and hp got buffed. This makes voli a way better option in S3, even though nothing really changed.


except voli also scales strongly with AS, which got a large nerf
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 12 2013 08:15 GMT
#1086
except voli has a built-in as boost if he keeps attacking and we can go on and on
KCCO!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 10:48:39
March 13 2013 10:48 GMT
#1087
wrong thread sry
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