• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:18
CEST 06:18
KST 13:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End6Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles0GSTL Returns in 2026!43Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WardiTV Mondays 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
SC4ALL II: Brood War Player Announcement 3/4 - soO BW General Discussion Rush's Odyssey Controversy [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming! ASL Season 22 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7131 users

[IEM] Katowice Discussion - Page 14

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 130 Next
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 15:11:28
January 18 2013 15:10 GMT
#261
On January 19 2013 00:09 LaNague wrote:
rofl that monkey


He didn't even have cleaver yet. Lolol

Double Cleaver on Monkey and MF now. Dem ultis going to wreck.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 18 2013 15:11 GMT
#262
FUUU why a BC on MF? You already have one on Wu, dammit. What a waste, just get a LW if you want pen.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 18 2013 15:11 GMT
#263
Pardon me if I sound pretentious, but what we see here is the cold and hard difference between the skill of NA and Europe. Washed up players who don't try their hardest to improve (saint, elementz, cop) simply pale in comparison with everyone on MYM, but Curse is losing on overall team strategy and coordination as well, probably because they don't think about the game enough (or seriously enough). If Curse somehow manages to place highly in this tournament I will eat my words, but I do not see that happening. Curse is in my opinion a top 3 NA team and their showing provides a good glimpse into the EU vs NA ''war of the west'', and NA is clearly losing. (Nyjacky is obviously Curse's best player, which means that this isn't definite. But Rhux is playing the best on Curse right now, being 1/1 in a 11:2 game and staying decently well on CS despite his team having no map control whatsoever)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 18 2013 15:12 GMT
#264
On January 19 2013 00:10 justiceknight wrote:
can any1 explain Voyboy's kat build and its effectiveness?


Nope. Its a horrible build. They have no damage now. Even IF kat gets reset, her damage is pretty much her base ability damage. Its not even going to scratch anyone when the warmogging starts
KCCO!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 15:12:35
January 18 2013 15:12 GMT
#265
On January 19 2013 00:10 justiceknight wrote:
can any1 explain Voyboy's kat build and its effectiveness?

Relies on "you can't kill me so I WILL have resets so my average damage WILL beat scaling through my reset spells base damage". Does even less until somebody dies (or even 2). Works better against team coordinated and bursty enough to take care of you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 18 2013 15:12 GMT
#266
On January 19 2013 00:11 Alaric wrote:
FUUU why a BC on MF? You already have one on Wu, dammit. What a waste, just get a LW if you want pen.


Yeah you tell 'em. You know best.
Hey! How you doin'?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
January 18 2013 15:13 GMT
#267
Wukong is damn good in team fight if you can get him out of his terrible laning phase which exactly what MYM did here. Can't see any chance for Curse this game,
Terran
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
January 18 2013 15:13 GMT
#268
Voyboy is playing horribly. Not only did he set off the snowball due to lack of awareness, he's also stubbornly gone for this tank build and repeatedly got caught out and gave Wukong great initiation opportunities.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#269
Both games so far not even close o0.

Grats to MYM great play.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#270
MYM vs blaze will be fun at least.
Glorious SEA doto
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#271
SV with the classic NA BM. Lol.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#272
Man that was even more one sided than the Blaze game. Also yea Voyboys build is basically the pinnacle of "I got the reset". Rather useless build in my opinion. You basically playing 4v5 until an enemy dies.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 18 2013 15:15 GMT
#273
Warmogs Kat assumes you get a reset so it's sustained damage based off her base values and not assassin-y burst.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
January 18 2013 15:15 GMT
#274
Both games had Amumu rush a Philo, and then proceed to get destroyed before they could become relevant. I'm not sure I understand it, it sets your weak early game even further behind.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
January 18 2013 15:15 GMT
#275
On January 19 2013 00:14 Lysanias wrote:
Both games so far not even close o0.

Grats to MYM great play.

Problem here is eventhough they lost M5/GBG actually has a plan with their team comp(mumu/MF/sona) while I see no plan on Curse team comp...
Terran
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
January 18 2013 15:16 GMT
#276
Bugsplat OP, please fix.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 15:18:57
January 18 2013 15:17 GMT
#277
On January 19 2013 00:15 Lounge wrote:
Both games had Amumu rush a Philo, and then proceed to get destroyed before they could become relevant. I'm not sure I understand it, it sets your weak early game even further behind.


Elementz likes his early Philo too. Crs stuck in S2 mindset. As support you need early sightstone. Saint would have done better to just get madred into sunfire/mogs/locket.

@Caphe:

Curse doesn't have drafts that well prepared I think. I know Saint really likes his Amumu, but it looks like they just pick each role to what the player feels most comfortable in, rather than playing a designed comp around an objective in tf (assassinating and resets/aoe lockdown/mass spam shields/etc). Asian teams are miles ahead in draft.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
January 18 2013 15:18 GMT
#278
wow, that was easy...
gg MYM can't wait for them vs blaze
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 18 2013 15:18 GMT
#279
On January 19 2013 00:12 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 00:11 Alaric wrote:
FUUU why a BC on MF? You already have one on Wu, dammit. What a waste, just get a LW if you want pen.


Yeah you tell 'em. You know best.

There are three big reasons I see this being worth it:
- the BC passive+10 ArPen beats LW pen (probably true here because 3 didn't build armour)
- Wu and MF ult different targets/enemy team splits up/Wukong gets picked off
- BC passive is critical (MF ults ticks twice as fast as Wukong's ult)
Reflecting back on it, the first point was probably true in that game because they were snowballing (the game shouldn't reach the point where the better+earlier %pen of LW will get significant) and only Katarina and Amumu really had armour, so it was prob. a sound decision.

I'll admit to having a knee-jerk reaction, but that's because BC doesn't always outperform LW, and still people always build the former over the latter.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 18 2013 15:19 GMT
#280
Kat' base damage is relatively low atm. There is no way that Kat can eventually start doing damage after resets. There is no damage on the team, its not going to reset. And then even IF she resets, shes gotta be near wukong and jayce to get things going. Both champions eat her alive.
KCCO!
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The Patches Monday
16:15
#3
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 162
Nina 100
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3813
GuemChi 2082
Leta 196
ZergMaN 16
Noble 15
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm201
LuMiX2
League of Legends
JimRising 682
Counter-Strike
summit1g7731
Coldzera 1119
taco 412
minikerr49
Other Games
hungrybox511
singsing509
C9.Mang0422
WinterStarcraft403
m0e_tv343
Maynarde129
Hui .91
ROOTCatZ65
Trikslyr49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1093
BasetradeTV36
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH368
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2729
• lizZardDota256
League of Legends
• Rush874
• Lourlo784
• Stunt503
Other Games
• Scarra994
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
5h 43m
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
6h 43m
PiGosaur Cup
19h 43m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.