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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 03 2012 01:27 GMT
#321
On November 03 2012 10:27 overt wrote:
Weird. Why did they even bring Voyboy with them then? In case Westrice gets injured and they need to bring in their sub?

To shake up CLG.na's confidence. lol.
liftlift > tsm
Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
November 03 2012 01:29 GMT
#322
On November 03 2012 09:21 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 09:19 Ym1r wrote:
dat BENCH HOTSHOT sign so good

Getting rid of Voy was the correct call and Hotshot was not the problem in that game one. The entire team was woefully unprepared for Najin's strat.


¤#!$ fanboys. Sorry that was rude. But please, give us a break. Hotshot is the biggest problem on this team. Have you ever watched them stream scrims? Nothing is ever his fault. Just no.

Ontopic: Love Najin Sword. Great play, they just ran CLG over.
Flaf?
R11
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 01:30:18
November 03 2012 01:29 GMT
#323
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.


OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 03 2012 01:29 GMT
#324
On November 03 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 10:27 overt wrote:
Weird. Why did they even bring Voyboy with them then? In case Westrice gets injured and they need to bring in their sub?

To shake up CLG.na's confidence. lol.

Like that's ever gonna happen.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
November 03 2012 01:30 GMT
#325
On November 03 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 10:27 overt wrote:
Weird. Why did they even bring Voyboy with them then? In case Westrice gets injured and they need to bring in their sub?

To shake up CLG.na's confidence. lol.

You mean to give CLG.na a good laugh. Curse has become synonymous with bench warmers at this point.
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
November 03 2012 01:31 GMT
#326
On November 03 2012 10:29 R11 wrote:
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.



Implying you meet good players in solo-q.
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
November 03 2012 01:31 GMT
#327
On November 03 2012 10:29 R11 wrote:
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.




There's a pretty simple analogy to this from bw, if someone wants to practice muta vs marine micro, is it more efficient to practice it by playing 1v1s on a regular map or micro map?
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
November 03 2012 01:32 GMT
#328
On November 03 2012 10:29 R11 wrote:
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.



korean toplane do lots of 1v1s from what ive heard. soloq is shit for practice.
GANDHISAUCE
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 03 2012 01:33 GMT
#329
I think the concept of counter picks is really overrated anyways. There are so many champions who have safe lanes in this game that there are very few true "counter picks." Most lanes are favorable or unfavorable and who wins the lane depends largely on who the better player is imo.

Counter picks is just something people say when they're in a hard lane and they play it badly instead of just saying, "I played badly."
Fasterfood
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada166 Posts
November 03 2012 01:33 GMT
#330
On November 03 2012 10:29 R11 wrote:
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.




I wouldn't take Hotshots performance there as typical of the NA scene. I may be proved wrong over this weekend, but to me he looked rusty (hopefully from Jungling for so long). Lets see how TSM does against Korea.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 01:38:08
November 03 2012 01:36 GMT
#331
On November 03 2012 10:33 overt wrote:
I think the concept of counter picks is really overrated anyways. There are so many champions who have safe lanes in this game that there are very few true "counter picks." Most lanes are favorable or unfavorable and who wins the lane depends largely on who the better player is imo.

Counter picks is just something people say when they're in a hard lane and they play it badly instead of just saying, "I played badly."

There is arguably lanes that have an innate advantage over others though.

Although I agree with you when you say it largely has to do with player skill.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
November 03 2012 01:37 GMT
#332
On November 03 2012 10:29 R11 wrote:
Can someone who's experienced top lane explain to me how Korean top laner's are just so much stronger than NA? Like to me this game is very match up and knowledge based where playing the lane over and over will let you have an advantage as long as your not being heavily counterpicked.

Im pretty sure while NA team practices might not practice as much as a team, they still play a ton of solo que... so how is there just a big skillcap difference top.




It's more like there's no really good NA tops out there (probably the worst region compared to EU, Korea + China), so even when they practice against each toerh they don't really improve. Dyrus if I remember right talked about how he wasn't able to get away with any of the mistakes that are normal in his play with NA players because the better players in other regions punished him so hard for them whereas NA tops wouldn't so he never learned properly
Fasterfood
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada166 Posts
November 03 2012 01:37 GMT
#333
Overt, I think that's mostly true.

You're absolutely right that people play badly and blaming the match-up, hurting the credibility of counter picks. If all you're saying is that it's overrated than I agree, However there are some very lopsided match-ups.
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
November 03 2012 01:38 GMT
#334
Bout god damm time....
adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
November 03 2012 01:38 GMT
#335
its so sad to see jiji losing so badly in cs when he is playing oriana in a favorable lane both games. I like jiji and remember when he was considered the best player but man he really just has no presence mid in any of these games

i don't think you can really judge hotshots performance from those games. they got outplayed pretty hard everywhere on the map
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 01:40:03
November 03 2012 01:39 GMT
#336
oh my god, i stayed up till 2:40 and just watched like 30 mins of adverts to see jatt replaced by phreak.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#337
On November 03 2012 10:39 LaNague wrote:
oh my god, i stayed up till 2:40 and just watched like 30 mins of adverts to see jatt replaced by phreak.

Haha get owned.

And if you on free stream it's starting to lag too
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#338
On November 03 2012 10:39 LaNague wrote:
oh my god, i stayed up till 2:40 and just watched like 30 mins of adverts to see jatt replaced by phreak.

Yeah, I, too, was happy to miss Jatt commentating. Dodged a bullet there.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 01:42:08
November 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#339
is curse using apple earbuds across the board? or did everyone use those?
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
November 03 2012 01:43 GMT
#340
On November 03 2012 10:41 Lmui wrote:
is curse using apple earbuds across the board? or did everyone use those?


Crs tweeted they couldn't use their own headsets, so idk
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