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On June 10 2012 07:13 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:12 mcimba42 wrote:
clg taking it easily when tsm doesnt just pull off some cheap cheese early game In what way was that taking it easily? It was a <1k gold game the entire game and only really turned south for TSM when Froggen got the quadra kill after TSM got Baron and killed 2 CLG.eu players. That game was really close man.
no way man clg had it easy
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And we can see all the kot ult nerfs are justified.
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Crossing my fingers for Froggen Ori next game. Assuming TSM bans Anivia AND Kog, then Froggen will play either Ori or Ahri right?
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On June 10 2012 07:14 Sqq wrote:
The stats for AP Kog are idiotic, but very few people can play him well. Is there any mid as good as Froggen atm ? Can't remember the last time i saw him lose mid.
If we're gonna measure how op a hero is by the way froggen plays it, i'd say anivia is higher on that list. It just gets banned every game so we only see kogmaw for now.
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On June 10 2012 07:13 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:12 mcimba42 wrote:
clg taking it easily when tsm doesnt just pull off some cheap cheese early game In what way was that taking it easily? It was a <1k gold game the entire game and only really turned south for TSM when Froggen got the quadra kill after TSM got Baron and killed 2 CLG.eu players. That game was really close man.
even after the quadra it was still >1k difference. CLG really pulled ahead when Chaox derped into all 5 of CLG trying to chase down Yellowpete through Soraka burst heal and Shen ult.
even tho froggen carried the shit out of that, you really can't ignore how well all of CLG played and their picks. Between shen ult and soraka heal/ult TSM couldn't kill shit.
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On June 10 2012 07:14 Slusher wrote:
yea, nerf a character based on a full item build on most likely the best ap mid in the entire tournament....
That on top of that has a very weak early and mid game and is played by noone except Froggen.
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not enough hard CC + too much protection + froggen being godlike. rofl
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On June 10 2012 07:15 Treadmill wrote:
Crossing my fingers for Froggen Ori next game. Assuming TSM bans Anivia AND Kog, then Froggen will play either Ori or Ahri right?
Either one of those or Morgana.
I don't think he would go for Annie in a Game 3.
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On June 10 2012 07:15 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:14 Slusher wrote:
yea, nerf a character based on a full item build on most likely the best ap mid in the entire tournament.... That on top of that has a very weak early and mid game and is played by noone except Froggen.
and sometimes jiji. but not to as much success.
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On June 10 2012 07:14 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:10 Treadmill wrote:
Dunno why they picked Karthus into Kog'Maw twice. It just seems like a bad matchup. Maybe not in lane, but definitely in teamfights. Yeah IDK. Both just get to farm a shitload and Kog ends up being stronger with it because his team isn't forced to dive Karthus to kill him in fights. I didn't see the picks and assumed CLG picked Kog to counter Karthus, not the other way around. :o
No they just first picked Kogmaw.
On June 10 2012 07:15 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:13 Takkara wrote:On June 10 2012 07:12 mcimba42 wrote:
clg taking it easily when tsm doesnt just pull off some cheap cheese early game In what way was that taking it easily? It was a <1k gold game the entire game and only really turned south for TSM when Froggen got the quadra kill after TSM got Baron and killed 2 CLG.eu players. That game was really close man. even after the quadra it was still >1k difference. CLG really pulled ahead when Chaox derped into all 5 of CLG trying to chase down Yellowpete through Soraka burst heal and Shen ult. even tho froggen carried the shit out of that, you really can't ignore how well all of CLG played and their picks. Between shen ult and soraka heal/ult TSM couldn't kill shit.
Yeah, CLG's peels were just great.
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On June 10 2012 07:15 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:14 Slusher wrote:
yea, nerf a character based on a full item build on most likely the best ap mid in the entire tournament.... That on top of that has a very weak early and mid game and is played by noone except Froggen.
Jiji, Regi, Nyjacky all can play a strong AP Koggles to varying degrees.
But man. Froggen is like the ban soaker for CLG.EU. And even then they still can't shut him down sheesh. 16-0. Disgusting.
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On June 10 2012 07:14 Slusher wrote:
yea, nerf a character based on a full item build on most likely the best ap mid in the entire tournament....
They already nerfed him before the tournament started, on Tuesday. This tournament played on Darius patch though.
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Wow what a series, Froggen's kog was just INSANE his auto attacks pretty much did more dmg than the AD carries
Only complaint is dan dinh...I appreciate his knowledge of the game but its just getting annoying
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Pretty pointless to try and ban out froggen imo.
TSM should just pick strong lanes so they can dominate that blue buff like they did in game 1.
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One of the things Scarra said about Froggen's KogMaw is he goes tear/rylai's instead of building RoA like Jacky. The only way he can get away with it because they always pick a Soraka support to go with AP Kog. Early Rylai's so scary, pick away Soraka if you can I guess, didn't catch the picks.
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imo banning mids isn't worth it vs. CLG.EU Froggen has more than 5 champs he can carry with
On June 10 2012 07:17 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:14 Slusher wrote:
yea, nerf a character based on a full item build on most likely the best ap mid in the entire tournament.... They already nerfed him before the tournament started, on Tuesday. This tournament played on Darius patch though.
Actually mentioned this already but I'm still annoyed by the trend to say, ban this ban that when you see a good performance in a tournament.
people gotta keep in mind he was 0/0/4 until TSM made a very dicy Baron call with all members starting sub 50% essentially jailbreaking him from early game ap kog a good 10 min before anyone on TSM was "lategame"
On June 10 2012 07:18 BlackMagister wrote:
One of the things Scarra said about Froggen's KogMaw is he goes tear/rylai's instead of building RoA like Jacky. The only way he can get away with it because they always pick a Soraka support to go with AP Kog. Early Rylai's so scary, pick away Soraka if you can I guess, didn't catch the picks.
I saw this too, (I use Jackie's build) it actually was super strong, it's what got him the 4th kill at baron for sure.
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anyone got a quick recap of tsm evo match today?
also, according to the bracket curse will play clg. that should be good times.
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On June 10 2012 07:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 07:14 Sqq wrote:
The stats for AP Kog are idiotic, but very few people can play him well. Is there any mid as good as Froggen atm ? Can't remember the last time i saw him lose mid. If we're gonna measure how op a hero is by the way froggen plays it, i'd say anivia is higher on that list. It just gets banned every game so we only see kogmaw for now.
I agree his Anivia is better but that doesn't say a lot. His AP Kog is probably the best out there (Along with Anivia)
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On June 10 2012 07:17 Neverhood wrote:
Only complaint is dan dinh...I appreciate his knowledge of the game but its just getting annoying
what the hell are you talking about man get hyped for solomid.net v5 motherfuckers
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On June 10 2012 07:14 Sqq wrote:
The stats for AP Kog are idiotic, but very few people can play him well. Is there any mid as good as Froggen atm ? Can't remember the last time i saw him lose mid.
In 90% of the games, he does not die. I am not even kidding, that is about the statistic. He is INSANELY good..
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