EPTCLG Doublelift – Need for Change - Page 2
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Orange Strapon
United States3 Posts
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Terrador
Netherlands23 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 14 2015 13:49 Amarok wrote: I really feel like Doublelift more than anyone on CLG would benefit from leaving. He seems completely committed to the org, but his and CLGs performance has been waning the entire LCS era. He's generally been the least of CLG's problems, but he's been the dominant player on the team for so long that at some point you have to ask whether he's cut out for the leadership role CLG is built around. Where that's on him or due to Hotshot's inability to put the right components around him is irrelevant because if the problem was solvable it would have happened by now. Put him on a team with different personal and in-game dynamics and things might change. I feel like doublelift is a player that thrives when he doesn't have responsibility and on CLG there's no one else that even tries to take responsibility so it's kind of shoved on to double. I'd really like him to go to another team and start doing well there. It'll be better for him and maybe force CLG to start taking league seriously. Double on H2K would be pretty sweet :> | ||
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RouaF
France4119 Posts
"Technically we've been really consistent at playoffs, because we just always lose" | ||
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moush
United States4 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 15 2015 05:41 moush wrote: Of course Double gave the most neutral responses possible and his ego prevented him from seeing himself as the problem. Of course, it must be DL's fault for Aphromoo's and Link's drop in play in time for playoffs, and singlehandidly drafting his team's comps to lose in the most terrible way possible to TL. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:39 RagequitBM wrote: Also, he has said he might be part of the problem in other interviews You can say a lot of things about Doublelift, but he's always struck me as something of a realist. Even his trashtalking/bignoting can be viewed as such when he was still a godly player. I think at some point he's gotten into his own head about his role on CLG. He's said so many times he doesn't want to be the main focus on the team but a more supportive style of ADC is wasted on him. He's at his best when he's aggressive and CLG need that from the AD position. Look at how his attitude changed about Sivir and then compare it to Forgiven's current position. Forgiven scoffs when he talks about playing Sivir and says he'll never play it because he wants to have a bigger impact that just pressing R to support his team. When DL was the best ADC in the west he had the same attitude but not anymore. He's playing like Cop and he too good for that. That's why I think he should go. Get his head into a different environment. Let him learn how things work in other teams. Get him confident and putting games on his back again. | ||
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AlreadyHere
Canada26 Posts
On April 15 2015 05:41 moush wrote: Of course Double gave the most neutral responses possible and his ego prevented him from seeing himself as the problem. As far as the in game play is concerned he does not seem to think he is the problem and I am inclined to agree. With all of his team gettng solo killed, missing skillshots and making horrible decisions he held firm and did as much as he could. It is hard to look good when the rest of the team is under performing. He did however acknowledge he needs to take a more active role outside the game if he wants to compete with the best teams. I think these playoffs pretty much removed any bit of leeway the management had in terms of decision making and if they are not able to support their team properly both roster and coaching wise he will leave. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On April 15 2015 10:39 AlreadyHere wrote: As far as the in game play is concerned he does not seem to think he is the problem and I am inclined to agree. With all of his team gettng solo killed, missing skillshots and making horrible decisions he held firm and did as much as he could. It is hard to look good when the rest of the team is under performing. He did however acknowledge he needs to take a more active role outside the game if he wants to compete with the best teams. I think these playoffs pretty much removed any bit of leeway the management had in terms of decision making and if they are not able to support their team properly both roster and coaching wise he will leave. agreed 100%. It didnt look to me like the games were at all his fault. The current pro scene for League is still in the "whoever makes the least mistakes wins" rather than "whoever makes the bigger play". I mean there are exceptions, but in MOST pro games, it comes down to minimizing the number of mistakes in order to achieve victory, because teams have gotten so good at punishing leads and leaning on the opposing team once they are ahead. Aphro went from the god support.. to not even showing up for the playoffs. It seemed like he caught solo mentality of "just go in... o shit i died". Their team fights were incredibly sloppy, like "were going..ok back..and now were going..shit shit go in!" Xmithie took arguably the most op/broken champ in the current meta..and managed to make it look weak. He was never the carry jungle for CLG..but he was at least relevant. I mean look at the SK vs UOL series. Game 5 in particular, Svenskaren had SK on his back ALL series, and was single handedly carrying from the jungle... but then they made 1 bad call, followed by 3 players all making bad decisions, and they lost. Minimizing mistakes is the name of the game atm..not making plays. Svenskaren made play after play after play, and his team lost due to 3 mistakes in a row. IDK, Doublelift in the series seemed to be fighting to be the consistent one, making sure he wasnt the one making mistakes for his opponents to capitalize on... he might not have been carrying, but he was arguably the most consistent player on his team for the series. Zionspartan, Link, Aphro, and Xmithie all had a handful of mistakes/bad decisions every game, so I dont know how people consider Doublelift the problem with CLG, when he was the only one not giving away solo kills/diving into losing fights. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I'm not saying that Doublelift is the one who is making Scarra a passive coach, but put yourself in L1nk's shoes two opinions: guy you've been on the same team with for two years, guy who has been playing just as far back as the coach has only his skills haven't dipped below player status guy who is new to the team, same Experence level as Doublelift, only he wasn't ever as good as doublelift and isn't able to perform as a player anymore, unlike Doublelift. and it's not just like Doublelift has to walk into the room and says I'm right guys this is what we should do. it can be subtle like, when they are talking about picks Doublelift can suggest plan A, team can agree on Scarra's plan B, when gameday arrives if things start to look or feel funny you start to get the grass is greener effect on Plan A, and then the thoughts from the middle paragraphs set in. it's just a bad situation even if everyone means for the best. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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moush
United States4 Posts
I'm not sure if it's because he's just coasting along on his fame or what but it just doesn't seem like he has the same fire anymore. | ||
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NotMeEver
United States100 Posts
I think the change that also would've worked, other than doing that, would've been to get a coach. Well, day-to-day we just talk to each other as players. Sometimes we'll talk to Scarra and sometimes he'll talk to us, and that's pretty much where it ends. So, CLG replaced Monte, an admittedly part-time coach would couldn't always be with the team, with Scarra, apparently a part-time coach who didn't often interact with the team, but who also didn't have the analysis background that Monte did, nor the respect, I'm inferring, that comes with being older, rather than merely being a longtime contemporary. Seems an odd coaching choice, in retrospect. I don't really see what Scarra has brought that Monte didn't as a remote coach. From how Monte has recalled it on Summoning Insight, it sounds like he was far more involved than Doublelift suggests Scarra has been. Obviously, we don't know everything, but... I don't really get it. | ||
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Mag1c
Canada180 Posts
That said, I'm sure coaching has a long way to go in the Western scene, before people understand and appreciate what coaches should actually be doing, and how. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2393 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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