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suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 11:43:56
January 12 2015 04:17 GMT
#1
There is a thread where people made predictions about the placement of each team in the NA LCS here. I decided to take it one step further and create a simple simulation of the season. It is completely worthless and inaccurate and is overly simple but I was doing it cause it was interesting me and I thought I would document it so if you are looking for something with real thought in it don't read this(or skip to the bottom) because I am literally taking peoples votes and translating that into RNG. I wasn't going to post this as its literally useless but I figured its only a little bit more work and then maybe someone else will find it interesting.

The Process

I went through the thread and gave each team points for every vote cast(1st place = 10, last place = 1). The point of this is that it allows me to set up a popular opinion power ranking that can be used to point out high importance matches as well as create a probability system. The final tally was as follows:
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(teams with half points were voted as being a toss up for 2 positions with another team. both teams were awarded one half of the 2 rankings worth of points added ie. 9/10 between Coast and T8 would give each team 1.5 points)


1. Cloud 9 - 482 points
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Seemingly every first place vote was for C9, no seriously, I can count the number of votes that did not have C9 in almost one hand.

2. Team Liquid - 410.5 points
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I don't know if this is because this was taken from a thread on Liquid Legends or if its because of their offseason moves but the water horses overcame TSM... but not by much

3. Team Solo Mid - 392.5 points
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TSM had a much more varied ranking than the 2 teams above, people had them at first and much lower down the pack. The debatable changes to their roster and poor performances recently are likely the case but either way they have fallen to third in NA.(for this simulation at least)

4. Winterfox - 308.5 points
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Winterfox marks the top of the midfield in North America, 90 points behind TSM is quite an obvious gap. I would not say Winterfox had convinced me personally of this potential but the popular opinion is that their change into an all korean line up will do them good.

5. Counter Logic Gaming - 283 points
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CLG had the largest variance in votes, some people though they would come as high as second some thought that they would fall to ninth. That is why CLG sits right in the middle at fifth.

6. Team Impact - 254 points
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The addition of Impact himself and a few fresh faces seems to have discourage people from voting highly of them. TiPs votes were as varied as CLG's, going anywhere from third to ninth.

7. Gravity - 220 points
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The ex-Curse Academy team seems to have done enough to convince the Liquid Legends community that they are good enough to perform within the middle of the pack in the LCS. I am sure SaintVicious and his boys will be able to put up a fight, if they will be as good as some people think is yet to be found out.

8. Team Dignitas - 152 points
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Dignitas has had the worst votes of any team from last season still in the LCS. Their unknown off season acquisitions seems to have put the team into the bottom tier of the LCS. They mark the beginning of the bottom tier in NA LCS.

9. Team Coast - 119.5 points
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Coast was able to narrowly get themselves into the LCS with a close victory of Fusion Gaming, but they did not do enough to convince people they had what it takes to make it out from the bottom two.

10. Team 8 - 72.5 points
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If you go through the voting thread almost everyone has the bottom 3 teams the same, 8. Dignitas - 9. Coast - 10. Team 8. They were as consistently at the bottom as C9 was at the top. The community seems to believe they do not have the LCS blood in their lineup as they are well in last place.



These point ranking are used to determine the result of each match of the season roughly. Any game between 2 teams within 150 votes would be considered an important game and will be assigned a result through a simple probability formula.
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X points + Y points = Total
Total/X points = %Xwins Total/Y points=%Ywins

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This formula allows room for upsets but also makes it easier on me to do the calculations by setting the 150 point bracket. You may say "C9 has more than 54% chance to beat Liquid!!!" they may yes, but that is why this is for fun, no calculation based on ranking can compensate for the top team being MUCH better or the worst team being MUCH worse.


Results
(bold = win | red = probability used)
Week 1
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TSM - C9
Coast - Dig
WFX - Gravity
TiP - Liquid
CLG - T8
Dig - TiP
Coast - WFX
Liquid - CLG
C9 - Gravity
T8 - TSM

C9 2-0
CLG 2-0
TSM 1-1
Liquid 1-1
Coast 1-1
WFX 1-1
Gravity 1-1
Dig 1-1
TiP 0-2
T8 0-2
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Week 2
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Gravity - Dig
T8 - Coast
C9 - Liquid
TiP - CLG
TSM - WFX
CLG - C9
Dig - WFX
TSM - Liquid
TiP - T8
Coast - Gravity

C9 4-0
CLG 3-1
WFX 3-1
Gravity 3-1
TSM 2-2
Coast 2-2
Liquid 1-3
Dig 1-3
TiP 1-3
T8 0-4

Week 3
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Gravity - TiP
C9 - T8
Dig - TSM
Liquid - Coast
WFX - CLG
C9 - Coast
CLG - Gravity
Liquid - Dig
T8 - WFX
TSM - TiP

C9 6-0
CLG 5-1
WFX 4-2
Gravity 4-2
TSM 4-2
Liquid 3-3
Coast 2-4
Dig 1-5
TiP 1-5
T8 0-6

Week 4
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Coast - CLG
WFX - TiP
Dig - C9
T8 - Liquid
Gravity - TSM
WFX - C9
TiP - Coast
CLG - TSM
Gravity - Liquid
Dig - T8

C9 8-0
CLG 7-1
WFX 5-3
TSM 5-3
Liquid 5-3
Gravity 4-4
Coast 2-6
Dig 2-6
TiP 2-6
T8 0-8

Week 5
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Liquid - WFX
T8 - Gravity
C9 - TiP
Dig - CLG
TSM - Coast
C9 - CLG
Liquid - TSM
WFX - Dig
Coast - T8
TiP - Gravity

C9 10-0
CLG 7-3
Liquid 7-3
WFX 6-4
TSM 6-4
Gravity 6-4
Dig 3-7
Coast 2-8
TiP 2-8
T8 1-9

Week 6
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Coast - C9
T8 - TiP
Liquid - Gravity
TSM - Dig
CLG - WFX
Gravity - Coast
C9 - WFX
TiP - TSM
CLG - Liquid
T8 - Dig

C9 12-0
CLG 8-4
Liquid 8-4
WFX 7-5
TSM 7-5
Gravity 7-5
Dig 4-8
Coast 2-10
TiP 4-8
T8 1-11

Week 7
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Dig - Coast
Gravity - CLG
WFX - TSM
TiP - C9
Liquid - T8
C9 - Dig
TSM - T8
Liquid - TiP
Gravity - WFX
CLG - Coast

C9 14-0
Liquid 10-4
CLG 9-5
WFX 8-6
TSM 8-6
Gravity 8-6
Dig 4-10
TiP 4-10
Coast 3-11
T8 1-13

Week 8
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TSM - Gravity
WFX - T8
Liquid - C9
CLG - Dig
Coast - TiP
Dig - Gravity
Coast - Liquid
TSM - CLG
TiP - WFX
T8 - C9

C9 15-1
Liquid 12-4
CLG 10-6
WFX 10-6
TSM 10-6
Gravity 9-7
Dig 4-12
TiP 5-11
Coast 3-13
T8 1-15

Week 9
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Gravity - C9
Coast - TSM
WFX - Liquid
T8 - CLG
TiP - Dig
WFX - Coast
CLG - TiP
C9 - TSM
Gravity - T8
Dig - Liquid

1. C9 17-1
2. Liquid 14-4
3. CLG 12-6
4. WFX 11-7
4. TSM 11-7
6. Gravity 10-8
7. TiP 6-12
8. Dig 4-16
9. Coast 3-15
10. T8 1-17

TL;DR: Results were similar to what we started with but CLG stole a couple games and TSM dropped a few too many. TiP on the other hand lost a lot more than they should have and Gravity put together a strong entry season into the LCS. Ill be coming back here to look at how the results compare to this simulation. I was fairly happy with the outcome as well as the vote compilation. This thread will at the very least function as a scale for how this community is thinking about NA LCS on a whole.

Anyways let me know if you found this interesting, or feel free to call me stupid because I am aware this post is fairly meaningless.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
January 12 2015 04:21 GMT
#2
Move over, 538!

This type of content is actually really fun to read, keep it up.
Stay positive!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 12 2015 04:22 GMT
#3
Since you said it yourself that it is fairly meaningless; I did enjoy the content
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suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-12 04:24:05
January 12 2015 04:23 GMT
#4
I just thought it would be cool to see what I could throw together to get results if the teams were exactly as strong as the community thought they were :D The only team that beat my C9 was Liquid funny enough, although it was only them or TSM that could haha.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
January 12 2015 04:53 GMT
#5
I think the table will end up much more compact than that. It'll be a really close split this one. Fun read though as others have said
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 12 2015 05:00 GMT
#6
This is pretty much my predictions except flip Gravity and CLG.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 12 2015 05:40 GMT
#7
Pretty meaningless as you said, but still pretty fun. The point totals for each team at least are fun to be able to see.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
January 12 2015 05:59 GMT
#8
I bookmarked this so we can see how good the TL community judgement is when the split is over.

Plus, I think Liquid isn't overvalued at all, CLG and Dig aren't teams anymore, so Liquid gets a free pass into top 3, and I think top 2 is even chance given that TSM's new jungler hasn't impressed me and Liquid has the best bot lane NA.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
January 12 2015 07:41 GMT
#9
C9 17-1? You know guys that this is not gonna happen ^_^ Suprise games and some fuck ups are always included in LCS.
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Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
January 12 2015 09:10 GMT
#10
Love it! Fan voting actually meaning anything is always fun.

I really don't think any team is going to go double digit wins before a loss this season. I will be surprised if any team makes it to 5-0 this split.
Kopeeh
Profile Joined January 2015
Germany17 Posts
January 12 2015 12:13 GMT
#11
I am surprised Winterfox was voted that far up in the standings. In the TL thread up their new lineup the comments were overwhelmingly negative towards the new players.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
January 12 2015 12:28 GMT
#12
That was super cool to read!!

Related:
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suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
January 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#13
On January 12 2015 16:41 739 wrote:
C9 17-1? You know guys that this is not gonna happen ^_^ Suprise games and some fuck ups are always included in LCS.

Yeah I was essentially doing this for fun so I didn't want to have to simulate all of the games :F I would say add or subtract 3-4 wins/loses to each team to create a band where they could end the season would be better than to just take it at face value. (ie C9 could be 18-0 and we all know they could be but they SHOULD probably be between 18-0 and 14-4 etc)
grizzlysmiles
Profile Joined January 2015
United States4 Posts
January 14 2015 03:27 GMT
#14
Weighted polls are my favorite <3
FederalAnarchist
Profile Joined January 2015
United States7 Posts
January 14 2015 05:35 GMT
#15
LOVE this thread!

Poor T8 though ;-;
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Shatterfront
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia77 Posts
January 14 2015 07:24 GMT
#16
This is really interesting, nice work.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 14 2015 07:54 GMT
#17
Watch this become 100% accurate spring split prediction. I wanna believe.
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suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 11:51:30
January 14 2015 11:48 GMT
#18
On January 12 2015 18:10 Baffels wrote:
Love it! Fan voting actually meaning anything is always fun.

I really don't think any team is going to go double digit wins before a loss this season. I will be surprised if any team makes it to 5-0 this split.

My sim was more accurately representing the teams by the voting, better votes = more strength. ie. c9 always voted 1st so in sims they should almost always be 1st and because of so many 1st votes they get to be almost unbeatable in the weighted vote system. Same idea apply to T8 always voted last therefore will always be last.

I would look less at the records of the top and bottom team because it was almost unanimous who is winning and in last so it skews the weighted system a bit.
suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
January 14 2015 11:52 GMT
#19
On January 14 2015 16:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Watch this become 100% accurate spring split prediction. I wanna believe.

More unlikely things have happened.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 14 2015 15:06 GMT
#20
On January 12 2015 16:41 739 wrote:
C9 17-1? You know guys that this is not gonna happen ^_^ Suprise games and some fuck ups are always included in LCS.


They do, we just need all the teams facing C9 to be the ones fucking up.
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