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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:00:51
February 07 2013 13:55 GMT
#2401
On February 07 2013 22:38 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:01 EquilasH wrote:
I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want nRated at that price lol..

@JonGalt http://www.bossminion.com/join-league?join=1118


Thanks. I typed in the password and it said I had it wrong. I typed in "part=51" Am I just being dumb or is something wrong?

I can't find it, and the bossminion link sends me to a random server-cant-be-reached page.

I got a baller team tho, which means i got M5 with fnatic's botlane. For exactly 100 points. I'm gonna go big!
(I would have liked to include a GIANT but sadly im a realist)

€: NVM found it on my own.
Once you smash it through google, everything is findable.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 07 2013 14:06 GMT
#2402
On February 07 2013 21:30 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.


Well Alex, Darien, Diamond and Gosu are imo way better than their CLG counterparts. Doublelift has consistently performed well, way above his teammates, for a really long time, where Genja has had a bit of a slump in his play before the IEM killing spree.

Aphromoo is massively overrated at 28 gold though. I'd say Dlift at 28 is justified, but Aphro support is like ~18/19 at best imo. Chauster is the only other one in CLG that I'd rate at 20+ gold for sure.

@nyx: That's a really sick lineup man 0o. I'd say Chaox is your weakest point, and that's pretty damn good.

The thing about Aphro is that you can probably expect that every kill doublelift gets is an assist for Aphromoo. If you're banking on doublelift crushing games, picking up both of them is basically double downing on doublelift.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 07 2013 14:07 GMT
#2403
On February 07 2013 15:16 Ketara wrote:
This literally just happened to me:

I go on an 8 game winning streak, get promoted from silver 2 to silver 1, then lose 1 game, get demoted back to 50 points silver 2.

This new system is absolute crap.

Man, maybe I should have stayed up with you. Clearly you can't win unless you're duoing
It's your boy Guzma!
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:20:00
February 07 2013 14:13 GMT
#2404
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.

Also remember that they're using data from ranked 5s until there's 3 weeks worth of LCS data. No wonder Aprholift is so overrated.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 07 2013 14:16 GMT
#2405
On February 07 2013 23:13 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.

He's not going to stomp cop or Chaox.
Platinum Support GOD
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 07 2013 14:17 GMT
#2406
On February 07 2013 23:13 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.


And even if DL somehow struggles with the KDA, we know you can absolutely go to the bank on his CS.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 07 2013 14:21 GMT
#2407
Yeah, the values of the players are a little off, not sure what stats they are using, but once the games get played the stats will be updated and the costs adjusted.

As for my team:
Doublelift
nRated
sOAZ
Alex Ich
Svenskeren

Basically Doublelift is going to be a beast so I just built the team around him. nRated and sOAZ are crazy cheap. I wanted Voyboy but couldn't make it work with Doublelift. Alex Ich is way cheaper than Froggen and still really good. Svenskeren is my only real wildcard, only plays two games week but I like the Wolves and he's solid, no Diamondprox but good.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
February 07 2013 14:22 GMT
#2408
i want to create team but i dont know how T_T

can anyone send me url, please?
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 07 2013 14:22 GMT
#2409
On February 07 2013 23:16 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 23:13 sylverfyre wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.

He's not going to stomp cop or Chaox.

In those games sure (I didn't pick him because CLG is going up against TSM and Crs early on, actually - I'll probably go to him next week, though.) but what about when he's up against some of the weaker teams in NA?

Also, Doublelift CS (this is why I picked alex ich. cs please.)
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
February 07 2013 14:24 GMT
#2410
On February 07 2013 22:45 cascades wrote:
Nooooooooo Soniv don't go, I missed you sooooooooooooo........

Yay, I led us back into fantasy discussion. #makingplays
Though teams are looking remarkedly similar. Hopefully nrated, soaz gets a price increase.. But to be honest I rather we have a different formula. The current one seems remarkedly uninspired. TL plx.

PW is
part=51


Thanks. I don't know why your "part=51" worked and mine didn't, but oh well!

Yellowpete
nRated
Kev1n
Alex Ich
TheOddOne

Now THAT'S a team.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 07 2013 14:25 GMT
#2411
On February 07 2013 23:22 Mensol wrote:
i want to create team but i dont know how T_T

can anyone send me url, please?

http://www.bossminion.com/join-league?join=1118 is our league, password is part=51

To create a team just go to "League of Legends Fantasy Competition" at the top of the page and click "Fantasy Team Lineup"
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:29:15
February 07 2013 14:28 GMT
#2412
On February 07 2013 23:13 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.

Also remember that they're using data from ranked 5s until there's 3 weeks worth of LCS data. No wonder Aprholift is so overrated.

Ho this explain a lot, didn't knew that.

Also, it seems somehow the NA ladder is way more lively, like a lot. Its Challenger bracket is almost full while EU West is like a small party with 9 peeps watching each other.
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 07 2013 14:28 GMT
#2413
On February 07 2013 23:22 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 23:16 MattBarry wrote:
On February 07 2013 23:13 sylverfyre wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:45 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads on the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

But chaox is NA. The idea that dlift is godlike tier carry comes from penta / flashy moves and videos that exist because 1) he is famous and fans do those vids 2) his whole team is completly built around him.
People shittalk hotshotgg all the time, but when he was playing jungle, even if I completly hated his play style, all he did was playing for doublelift : tanky utility jungler, losing a lot of farm and levels just to kill all wards and apply pressure on lanes all the time, giving his body to the team in each team fights. Playing top, he is playing the same type of hero, splitpushing to no end, which means he is stalling the game and making it longer which permit dlift to get to that point where carries are godlike.

I'm not saying he is not as good as genja, or not as good as rekless, but I'm tired that he is the only NA/EU player (aside from EU mids such as xpeke, froggen or alexich) that is consider on equal ground with top Koreans or Asians players. Stop with the bias please, your doublelift don't destroy my genja. Their playstyle and their team are not built in the same way okay, but he is not strictly better. Genja build mid-game oriented, and way more tanky than Dlift will ever build (Dlift never build tank, but mobility, prefer qss over GA, etc.).
Yellowpete is the complete opposite of this. His kog'maw is great, when his team built its comp around it. He is actually quite an agressive player who like to make plays, but in Froggen's team, he doesn't have the place, nor the farm, to express himself as Dlift can in CLG.na. Is Dlift better ? Maybe, in my opinion they are just completly different.
Having one of your carries pick up a penta is a pretty big bonus. Also, if you're of the opinion that the NA scene is weaker, then that means DL can stomp around and earn you tons of points, because points are based on KDA and CS.

He's not going to stomp cop or Chaox.

In those games sure (I didn't pick him because CLG is going up against TSM and Crs early on, actually - I'll probably go to him next week, though.) but what about when he's up against some of the weaker teams in NA?

Also, Doublelift CS (this is why I picked alex ich. cs please.)

Just saying, he's not that much better than other top tier NA carries. The last time CLG and Crs played in a tournament, Cop dominated aphroolift 6/0 in lane. It's not so clearcut (though I still think dlift is the best)
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:29:35
February 07 2013 14:29 GMT
#2414
On February 07 2013 22:45 cascades wrote:
Nooooooooo Soniv don't go, I missed you sooooooooooooo........

Yay, I led us back into fantasy discussion. #makingplays
Though teams are looking remarkedly similar. Hopefully nrated, soaz gets a price increase.. But to be honest I rather we have a different formula. The current one seems remarkedly uninspired. TL plx.

PW is
part=51

Well, I guess they don't get huge KDA's in their ranked 5s play, which is what the current prices are based on.

NRated OP @ $15

I am alright with KDA being a big factor, but I'm really surprised winning / losing the game doesn't factor in.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 07 2013 14:34 GMT
#2415
My lineup:
Genja
Edward (Gosupepper)
Voyboy
Shushei
Nintendudex

We will see i guess.

Anyways, gonna try and make my run for silver 2/1 this weekend, been stuck in 3 since they updated.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:36:17
February 07 2013 14:35 GMT
#2416
My Lineup:
Cop
nRated
sOAZ
Alex Ich
DiamondProx

I wanted voyboy in my lineup too, but Fnatic's members are just so... affordable.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 07 2013 14:37 GMT
#2417
On February 07 2013 23:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, the values of the players are a little off, not sure what stats they are using, but once the games get played the stats will be updated and the costs adjusted.

As for my team:
Doublelift
nRated
sOAZ
Alex Ich
Svenskeren

Basically Doublelift is going to be a beast so I just built the team around him. nRated and sOAZ are crazy cheap. I wanted Voyboy but couldn't make it work with Doublelift. Alex Ich is way cheaper than Froggen and still really good. Svenskeren is my only real wildcard, only plays two games week but I like the Wolves and he's solid, no Diamondprox but good.


Where's your Bjergsen traitor? =P
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 07 2013 14:39 GMT
#2418
On February 07 2013 23:37 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 23:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, the values of the players are a little off, not sure what stats they are using, but once the games get played the stats will be updated and the costs adjusted.

As for my team:
Doublelift
nRated
sOAZ
Alex Ich
Svenskeren

Basically Doublelift is going to be a beast so I just built the team around him. nRated and sOAZ are crazy cheap. I wanted Voyboy but couldn't make it work with Doublelift. Alex Ich is way cheaper than Froggen and still really good. Svenskeren is my only real wildcard, only plays two games week but I like the Wolves and he's solid, no Diamondprox but good.


Where's your Bjergsen traitor? =P

zzz he can't play Week 1, birthday is later in February. And you call yourself a fan.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 07 2013 14:40 GMT
#2419
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads in the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

Not in my top 3.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 14:44:12
February 07 2013 14:43 GMT
#2420
On February 07 2013 23:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 23:37 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 07 2013 23:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, the values of the players are a little off, not sure what stats they are using, but once the games get played the stats will be updated and the costs adjusted.

As for my team:
Doublelift
nRated
sOAZ
Alex Ich
Svenskeren

Basically Doublelift is going to be a beast so I just built the team around him. nRated and sOAZ are crazy cheap. I wanted Voyboy but couldn't make it work with Doublelift. Alex Ich is way cheaper than Froggen and still really good. Svenskeren is my only real wildcard, only plays two games week but I like the Wolves and he's solid, no Diamondprox but good.


Where's your Bjergsen traitor? =P

zzz he can't play Week 1, birthday is later in February. And you call yourself a fan.


Pfft. Is the team for Week 1 only? Take him now, eat the lack of play penalties like a man, then watch him roll through everyone with sideways8-0-0 scores every game.

On February 07 2013 23:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 21:39 Volband wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:14 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 07 2013 21:07 AsnSensation wrote:
well the whole support section is kinda weird, muffinqt and aphro most expensive? popularity much?

can't say no to a 15 N#rated while aphro is 28 lol

Doublelift and the whole CLG.NA team is like way too expensive, in comparaison to all the EU teams (genja 20 gold, dblift 28).


I actually think Dblift is priced well, considering he's pretty much the best ad of EU+NA combined. Only one who gave him troubles in games was Rekkles (?) afaik. Dblift is on Wx tier, and Genja hasn't been looking that great other than the shit they pulled off at IEM.

DBlift is just the best NA carry, that's all. I see no proof of him being at international tier until I see clg winning anything big.
On the other side, Genja just carried GambitGaming winning 4 game back to back against the whole ex azubu now cjg line up, and you're saying it's "the shit they pulled off at IEM".
When did CLG pulled off any shit ? I wonder.
Maybe he will get an awesome KDA as NA is quite weak, but he is not on par with Wx, please. The simple fact that nRated cost what 15 gold, and is one of the best eu support, while aphromoo is at 28 gold, while he proved nothing yet shows how CLG.na botlane is overrated.

Yes, Gambit as a team is better overall, but that doesn't mean Genja is better. Doublelift is pretty much in the top 3 best ads in the world. He's been in Korea as well, wrecking faces, but then again, it's not easy to achieve anything major when there's a ImPrettyBad GG in your team.

(Chaox shittalks Doublelift all the time[State of the Game], but even he admits he's the best and that he respects him in a way, and would like to be better than him)

Not in my top 3.


LET'S HEAR 'EM. I know one: WX.
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