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Some news from Korea:
- NoFe (MVP Blue's Jungler) leaves the team, MVP team open recruitment to fill his position
- MOKUZA from Najin Shield remains in hospital as his illness remains. Raoching will continue to play in his position in the mean time.
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On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life.
Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser.
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On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser.
How does Morde counter Yi? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult.
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On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult.
You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him.
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On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him.
Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together.
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On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together.
Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book.
6v4 op yo~
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On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~
Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win.
Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC.
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Yay less than 30 minutes until IP farming can commence.
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On January 26 2013 16:34 Irave wrote:
Yay less than 30 minutes until IP farming can commence.
Oh shit I almost forgot about this.
Well, I already have 35k IP and donno what to buy anymore... hue
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On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:On January 26 2013 15:08 Crownlol wrote:
So why hasn't AP Yi been adjusted yet. His midgame is arguably the strongest of any champ, and his heal is probably the single strongest spell in the game. Am I taking crazy pills? Why aren't people complaining? Is it because after BV or 35minutes he's useless? Because before then... he's a total raidboss. QQ thread that way-> also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC.
I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick.
Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate.
"look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!"
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On January 26 2013 16:36 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:
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QQ thread that way->
also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC. I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick. Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate. "look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!"
You want a more direct counter for Yi. Malz would be good. Do your dot thing, when that mr yi goes to heal up standing there combo ult him. Or Fiddle, make him mad if he is capable of getting the reset.
On January 26 2013 16:36 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:34 Irave wrote:
Yay less than 30 minutes until IP farming can commence. Oh shit I almost forgot about this. Well, I already have 35k IP and donno what to buy anymore... hue
Damn, I never seem to have enough. I didn't play much during s2. Think the only champs released last year I played were Nami/Lulu. So I feel empty having this list of unowned champions.
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On January 26 2013 16:36 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:On January 26 2013 15:10 Amui wrote:
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QQ thread that way->
also he can be counterpicked. Not many of them, but the couple that are counterpicks shit on him really, really hard. Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC. I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick. Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate. "look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!"
I don't understand your logic. When Mordekaiser gets the upper hand in lane (which he will against Yi), he will just push 24/7 - and Yi can't roam. Then he will go and crush teamfights with his % health damage and ghost. Your goal is to win the game as a whole; killing your lane opponent 5 times in lane helps you to go in that direction, but it's definitely not the only way to win.
On January 26 2013 16:40 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:36 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:
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Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC. I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick. Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate. "look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!" You want a more direct counter for Yi. Malz would be good. Do your dot thing, when that mr yi goes to heal up standing there combo ult him. Or Fiddle, make him mad if he is capable of getting the reset.
Fiddle should do fine, but he still can't kill Yi.
On January 26 2013 16:40 Irave wrote:
Damn, I never seem to have enough. I didn't play much during s2. Think the only champs released last year I played were Nami/Lulu. So I feel empty having this list of unowned champions.
Well I own 59, but I filled this number up by owning all but 6 champions with <=1350IP.
I grew pessimistic over the fads of the new champions. I feel they are either "UP" (by UP I mean too hard to play proficiently) or too OP (then gets nerfed). I still have Jayce sitting on my champion list but I don't recall ever playing him beyond his first month of release - and I don't plan to touch him again anytime soon.
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Just had a big losing streak like 3 days ago where I dropped to under 1k elo, was pretty dissapointed. Have grinded out games the last 2 days and am sitting at 1250~! So happy! Nocturne seems to be the best jungle to carry low elos, he's such a beast.
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On January 26 2013 16:34 Irave wrote:
Yay less than 30 minutes until IP farming can commence.
Going to farm until I pass out =[
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Obv all champions should be exactly equal at all times in the game. Some champs should not be better in lane, some should not be better at teamfights. The sole goal of riot games is to create an equilibrium whereby your champion choice is totally irrelevent. This is true balance.
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@IP Farmers: Are you just going to spam dominion games nonstop? What do you think is the quickest method?
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On January 26 2013 16:40 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:36 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 15:13 sob3k wrote:
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Who? Cho'Gath edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC. I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick. Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate. "look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!" I don't understand your logic. When Mordekaiser gets the upper hand in lane (which he will against Yi), he will just push 24/7 - and Yi can't roam. Then he will go and crush teamfights with his % health damage and ghost. Your goal is to win the game as a whole; killing your lane opponent 5 times in lane helps you to go in that direction, but it's definitely not the only way to win. Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:40 Irave wrote:On January 26 2013 16:36 ItsFunToLose wrote:On January 26 2013 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 16:12 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 26 2013 16:03 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:53 Zooper31 wrote:On January 26 2013 15:48 Sufficiency wrote:On January 26 2013 15:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:
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Cho'Gath
edit: two ranged meditate interrupts, tanky, true damage ult to ignore armor/MR during meditate and low life. Or if you prefer something a little bit more "mainstream", there is always Mordekaiser. How does Morde counter Yi heal? Yi can clear lane better than morde and he has no interrupt for heal or to stop Yi from running away with ult. You don't counter him by killing him. You counter him by splitting farm with him. Well I guess I don't count that as a counterpick, simply playing passive and farming together. Only any time you can farm morde up to point, click, kill your ad carry and ghost them, its a win in my book. 6v4 op yo~ Exactly. Splitting farm with Yi is definitely a win. Also Mordekaiser pushes a lot harder than Yi. Yi's Q only hits 4 targets. Post-6 you will be unstoppable and there is no way in hell he can kill you. It's also really hard for a jungler to gank you, because Yi has little damage himself and he has no CC. I still don't see "going even with a champion" as a counter pick. Arguing that morde does more with equal CS still doesn't validate the lack of logic behind it. Yi is OP in lane precisely because of meditate. "look guys, he can't kill me! I countered him! i countered him!" You want a more direct counter for Yi. Malz would be good. Do your dot thing, when that mr yi goes to heal up standing there combo ult him. Or Fiddle, make him mad if he is capable of getting the reset. Fiddle should do fine, but he still can't kill Yi.
I've had success with using swain as my counter pick, every alpha you can have a pretty damn good chance of landing nevermove for free, forcing meditate, put Q on, and then moment he cancels E, spamming autos all the while. Basically if your jungler comes and is patient, it's pretty much a free kill the moment he uses alpha.
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On January 26 2013 16:48 ChaoSbringer wrote:
@IP Farmers: Are you just going to spam dominion games nonstop? What do you think is the quickest method?
Abuse the time on Co-Op vs bots. Then yea gather a few friends and do dominion.
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On January 26 2013 16:50 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 16:48 ChaoSbringer wrote:
@IP Farmers: Are you just going to spam dominion games nonstop? What do you think is the quickest method? Abuse the time on Co-Op vs bots. Then yea gather a few friends and do dominion.
I will do dominion if you don't mind me using my smurf. Add me "Bad Riven Bot".
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Does scarra even know how to play Kayle? You don't R someone because someone is dying.
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