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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On May 26 2012 19:14 Alaric wrote: I'm having a bit of a problem with the Olaf vs Jax match-up... I've played it from both sides, but when I was Olaf my jungler stupidly ran into a spotted invade and I had to stay to keep him alive, so I missed 3 waves before I got there, et Jax was 15 cs and almost to levels ahead, then he ganked mid since the wave was pushed, got a kill, farmed a bit and came back with revolver+vamp scepter. I'd prob have lost any match-up with such a gold and level advantage. He also switched flash for exhaust. When I played as Jax Olaf pushed a bit and hit 2 before me so he attacked, I hold it off, but my jungler wanted to gank (still not sold on Shyv level 3 ganks...), we saw theirs coming (Lee Sin) but he went in anyway, making me commit with him... only to flash out immediatly et let me get killed 1v2. He then got dived and gave another kill. Again, lost before I can get a feel for the match-up. When I look at it, I guess it's kind of awareness-based, as Olaf's E (+ aa if you turn) is more damage than Jax can do with aa+W early on, but with Jax's E+W you can outtrade Olaf if you run at him when he uses E and disengage right before his E cd comes back (obviously you can't do that too easily as levels rise and cooldowns get shorter). But maybe I'm wrong and assuming equal skill and knowledge of the match-up one side is heavily-favored? olaf can't hope to win a prolonged exchange because of dodge, so his best bet is to try to QE and run away unfortunately jax has a gap closer so any time olaf does this, jax can counter with QautoW. if olaf tries to fight back once you're on top of him, E destroys him. i feel like this matchup is even, maybe slightly olaf-favored until 6, when it swings in jax's favor. charge up passive -> QautoW for like 2903948 damage. take EQW then max W > E as jax. i start boots + 4, 2d-blades, cutlass. as olaf you just have to max E, push the lane, QE him on cooldown, then run like hell. if jax does what i suggested and bounces on you, don't try to fight, just keep running. since you've pushed the lane, if he chases he's missing out on experience and the longer he chases, the closer your E is to coming back. the second he STOPS chasing, just chase him back and E him. rinse and repeat. at 6 you have to be really careful because if you think jax is committing and you blow your ult, and then he DOESN'T commit, you basically have to leave the lane until it's back up. if you're pushed without your ult+ghost you will be a jungler's prime target til it's up. if jax's dodge is ever down for some reason (i.e. he tried to use it on you or to clear creeps or whatever) you should commit hard because that's the thing that gives him an advantage | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
About the IPL stream, the cam is a bit too close to their faces when they're talking, it makes it kind of awkward.  | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 27 2012 03:26 Redox wrote: Final of first EU IPL5 qualifier going on now. AL vs CLGeu. http://clgaming.net/live/5960-ipllol Havent people learned yet? Versus CLG.EU, ban anivia kog maw and nauti if you dont have FP :< | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 27 2012 04:09 Beyonder wrote: Havent people learned yet? Versus CLG.EU, ban anivia kog maw and nauti if you dont have FP :< I dont think any team knows CLG bette rthan AL. I trust they know what they are doing. And they have stopped the Kog in the past, the setup has its weaknesses early to mid. edit: Now they banned Kog though. :D | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Galio is quite useless vs. Nauti, Janna counters the two heavy melees.. Mid and bot really have to play very well for them to win this, but thats hard. I predict 1-1 after this game, as I dont think CLG can do it this game :D Though they did really improve a huge lot compared to last time they met AL and got wacked | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 27 2012 04:19 Beyonder wrote: Oh boy CLG.EU is quite outpicked I feel. Their lanes have to play really well... Galio is quite useless vs. Nauti, Janna counters the two heavy melees.. Mid and bot really have to play very well for them to win this, but thats hard. I predict 1-1 after this game, as I dont think CLG can do it this game :D Though they did really improve a huge lot compared to last time they met AL and got wacked I trust in Wickds Irelia for this one. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
There is not that much you can do. The strength of AL is a tanky jungler compared with a disabling top. Now they also have a roaming mid.. and nocturne is not the good defense needed vs the top ganking that AL does every game. And AL has their ashe (slows) and Janna... But lets see | ||
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Beyonder
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Shen Nautilus Janna cc. Yep. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On May 27 2012 04:24 Beyonder wrote: See what I mean? CLG.eu tends to give a bit of handicap to themself just to be fair But yeah, game 3 is pretty possible. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 27 2012 04:24 Beyonder wrote: See what I mean? Yeah. Could have been different if first gank on Shen worked though. And that teleport from Froggen was total fail. :D | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
4 picks later: "AL have a very strong team and CLG will really have a lot of trouble dealing with these tanks". Yeah. Not making early and substanceless assumptions at all. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
HM | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 27 2012 04:59 Alaric wrote: Commentators see bans and the Urgot fp: "CLG is gonna have a very strong team, and AL will have a weaker one". 4 picks later: "AL have a very strong team and CLG will really have a lot of trouble dealing with these tanks". Yeah. Not making early and substanceless assumptions at all. Its just blabbering, I dont even listen to that. | ||
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