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On July 24 2012 01:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:50 Slusher wrote:
The English commentary is actually decent this season, unlike in SC2 where you could tell he didn't play the game with LoL you can tell Moletrap genuinely enjoys the game, and has a base knowledge of all the champions. On top of the Moletrap brings what he has always brought to the table, in that he gets hype when he needs to get hype, is it like a korean broadcast penta kill, no, but I think he does a good job. It would be really nice if LoL had a caster like Artosis who watches every tournament and follows trends, but right now LoL in general doesn't have one of those, so I really think Moletrap brings a lot to the table.
even if you don't care for any of that, Scarra this week added a lot to the program, going into depth about his scrims with the korean teams and their playstyles. Moletrap has the same problem as he did in BW: he really doesn't know a lot - both in knowledge and in raw skills. Every time he says "Player XXX is doing YYY but I don't know why he is doing that" or "I think this champion's Q also has this effect but I am not 100% sure." it ticks me off. I actually played against moletrap once and I felt that he is a mediocre player at best (I think he is 1300s Elo). He can talk a lot, but I don't think he talks well about the actual game. There are casters who follow the scene closely. Phreak is a very good player who also follows the scene since that's his job.
LOL good one
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I don't like riot casters some of them are good at casting but the used car bullshit grinds on me after a while
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On July 24 2012 03:14 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 01:26 Sufficiency wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 Slusher wrote:
The English commentary is actually decent this season, unlike in SC2 where you could tell he didn't play the game with LoL you can tell Moletrap genuinely enjoys the game, and has a base knowledge of all the champions. On top of the Moletrap brings what he has always brought to the table, in that he gets hype when he needs to get hype, is it like a korean broadcast penta kill, no, but I think he does a good job. It would be really nice if LoL had a caster like Artosis who watches every tournament and follows trends, but right now LoL in general doesn't have one of those, so I really think Moletrap brings a lot to the table.
even if you don't care for any of that, Scarra this week added a lot to the program, going into depth about his scrims with the korean teams and their playstyles. Moletrap has the same problem as he did in BW: he really doesn't know a lot - both in knowledge and in raw skills. Every time he says "Player XXX is doing YYY but I don't know why he is doing that" or "I think this champion's Q also has this effect but I am not 100% sure." it ticks me off. I actually played against moletrap once and I felt that he is a mediocre player at best (I think he is 1300s Elo). He can talk a lot, but I don't think he talks well about the actual game. There are casters who follow the scene closely. Phreak is a very good player who also follows the scene since that's his job. LOL good one
At least he is 1800s. What is yours?
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I think we can all agree caster who used to be players before casting have more knowledge about the game than ones who pick the game up within weeks of casting it later.
The trouble with getting former high level players to cast is they also have to be interesting to listen to.
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No the problem is more that there are basicly no former pro players with an interest in casting atm since the entire scene is so new.
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On July 24 2012 05:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
He's like 2k lol.
This season his top Elo was 1912. I am sure he can be better if he actually played more, but I won't argue about that. Regardless, to say Phreak is not a "very good player" is a troll move.
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On July 24 2012 05:58 Gorsameth wrote:
No the problem is more that there are basicly no former pro players with an interest in casting atm since the entire scene is so new.
Love it when Kobe casts... would be nice to have him do more tournaments.
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On July 24 2012 06:07 Sufficiency wrote:This season his top Elo was 1912. I am sure he can be better if he actually played more, but I won't argue about that. Regardless, to say Phreak is not a "very good player" is a troll move.
I mean deangus is like 2k.
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i don't think phreak is very good, personal opinion
but he seems like a fun guy
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On July 24 2012 05:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:14 De4ngus wrote:On July 24 2012 01:26 Sufficiency wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 Slusher wrote:
The English commentary is actually decent this season, unlike in SC2 where you could tell he didn't play the game with LoL you can tell Moletrap genuinely enjoys the game, and has a base knowledge of all the champions. On top of the Moletrap brings what he has always brought to the table, in that he gets hype when he needs to get hype, is it like a korean broadcast penta kill, no, but I think he does a good job. It would be really nice if LoL had a caster like Artosis who watches every tournament and follows trends, but right now LoL in general doesn't have one of those, so I really think Moletrap brings a lot to the table.
even if you don't care for any of that, Scarra this week added a lot to the program, going into depth about his scrims with the korean teams and their playstyles. Moletrap has the same problem as he did in BW: he really doesn't know a lot - both in knowledge and in raw skills. Every time he says "Player XXX is doing YYY but I don't know why he is doing that" or "I think this champion's Q also has this effect but I am not 100% sure." it ticks me off. I actually played against moletrap once and I felt that he is a mediocre player at best (I think he is 1300s Elo). He can talk a lot, but I don't think he talks well about the actual game. There are casters who follow the scene closely. Phreak is a very good player who also follows the scene since that's his job. LOL good one At least he is 1800s. What is yours?
Gandhi has 2 accounts over 2k (gandhisauce and remissim)
Phreak is one of the most pitiful excuses for an 1800 player. He is really just not very good.
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Phreak was really good before S1 (he got hired because of it I believe...), and then he and stayed at around 1800-2k (which was much better than it is now) during it. I don't think he still plays much tho, unless he has a smurf that he managed to keep secret.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20124880, his S1 smurf, top elo over 2k
Because he recommends shit builds oriented at new players doesn't make him bad lol.
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Game knowledge aside, Phreak's casting has two major problems:
a) He pretty much usurps all the attention. I'd attribute this to his background in WC3 solo casting, but whatever the reason it's bad when he edges out his co-caster and they don't say things. This is pretty clear when he casts with Rivington--Phreak pretty much dominates the casting, and Rivington only really gets to chime in with awkward interjections (made more awkward by the fact that he's often wrong).
b) Related to a, he misses shit. Because he tries so hard to do both the casting and the commentating at once, Phreak often focuses too much on some detail, and then misses a kill or some more important or interesting event elsewhere. This is the precise reason that professional commentary is done with 2 or more people. The commentator can focus on the nitty-gritty details, while the caster focuses on following the action and conveying the excitement. It's a huge problem that Phreak takes over the casting the way he does, because regardless of whether or not he's a good player, he's definitely not a good enough caster/commentator to do two peoples' jobs at once.
On July 24 2012 05:48 DonKey_ wrote:
The trouble with getting former high level players to cast is they also have to be interesting to listen to.
That's the thing, they really don't. They just need to have the analysis necessary, and if they're dry, they can easily be counter-balanced by a strong caster who IS good at conveying action and excitement. It comes down to the dynamic between the caster and the commentator.
Finding a caster and commentator that can work together is obviously no easy task, but it's IMMENSELY harder to find someone who can do both at the same time.
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Not even Day9 goes it alone during tournaments.
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Lol, dat game. I tune in and both Crs and OrB had a solid 80k gold. Haha.
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could someone point me the direction of VoDs that showcase madlife=bestsupport? thanks a bunch
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Alright just so I don't miss it. CLG na vs Eu is 7:30am edt/est, correct?
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On July 25 2012 15:30 HazMat wrote:
Alright just so I don't miss it. CLG na vs Eu is 7:30am edt/est, correct?
According to TL, it's 13:30 GMT (+00:00)
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On July 25 2012 15:30 HazMat wrote:
Alright just so I don't miss it. CLG na vs Eu is 7:30am edt/est, correct?
Yes, I believe this is correct
Using TL's time conversion feature,
20:30KST = 11:30 GMT (+00:00)
Edit: had the wrong time
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