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Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
July 13 2012 15:25 GMT
#621
what happens if there is a 3 way tie?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:30:07
July 13 2012 15:29 GMT
#622
It feels like the Blitzcrank won the game. Dig was valuing Karthus too high, picking Soraka with him... then Frost counterpicked Blitzcrank.... everything went downhill from there. At the same time, scarra basically got outplayed.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:33:50
July 13 2012 15:33 GMT
#623
On July 14 2012 00:05 HazMat wrote:
GG bo1 tourney. Now we wait 2 weeks for CLG to crush some korean skulls. Fun.

Round robin groupstage is pretty standard, even for other games. Don't know why you're complaining. Nobody in their right mind would run BoX series' in groupstage because it would take months to finish.

Only way to avoid tiebreakers is MSL-style groups rather than OSL-style round robin--which is arguably less "fair" because not everyone gets to play everyone else.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:46:14
July 13 2012 15:43 GMT
#624
On July 14 2012 00:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 00:05 HazMat wrote:
GG bo1 tourney. Now we wait 2 weeks for CLG to crush some korean skulls. Fun.

Round robin groupstage is pretty standard, even for other games. Don't know why you're complaining. Nobody in their right mind would run BoX series' in groupstage because it would take months to finish.

Only way to avoid tiebreakers is MSL-style groups rather than OSL-style round robin--which is arguably less "fair" because not everyone gets to play everyone else.

The whole point of LoL is picks, bans, and counterpicks. With one game you really don't get to see any of that. And it's not just me that's frustrated since this tournament barely gets any viewers. It's pretty badly run for how sick all the graphics and animations are.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 13 2012 15:50 GMT
#625
On July 14 2012 00:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 00:05 HazMat wrote:
GG bo1 tourney. Now we wait 2 weeks for CLG to crush some korean skulls. Fun.

Round robin groupstage is pretty standard, even for other games. Don't know why you're complaining. Nobody in their right mind would run BoX series' in groupstage because it would take months to finish.

Only way to avoid tiebreakers is MSL-style groups rather than OSL-style round robin--which is arguably less "fair" because not everyone gets to play everyone else.


It's somewhat unfair when the game has so much randomness into it.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:55:38
July 13 2012 15:53 GMT
#626
OK, suppose we had Bo3 groupstage. There are 6 matches per group, and with potentially 3 games per match, they can only play 1 match per day 2 days a week (assuming the same broadcast schedule as they have now). This means it takes 3 weeks per group. With 4 groups, it would take 3 months to complete groupstage alone. I'm pretty sure OGN's broadcasting schedule doesn't allow for the league to be that drawn out.

Practically speaking, what you're looking for is a Proleague-style league that only plans on playing 1 match per night (2 if you somehow got a second broadcast channel and could run them simultaneiously). In that case you could run Bo3s and be OK with only having 1 match per night (the ACE DotA league in China does this right now). The problem is that this type of league format is not really scalable to 16 teams. It only works if the number of teams is small enough so that over a season, each team gets a sufficient number of games against every other team. Realistically this kind of format would only work if you kept the number of teams down to about 8-10.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 13 2012 15:56 GMT
#627
On July 14 2012 00:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 00:05 HazMat wrote:
GG bo1 tourney. Now we wait 2 weeks for CLG to crush some korean skulls. Fun.

Round robin groupstage is pretty standard, even for other games. Don't know why you're complaining. Nobody in their right mind would run BoX series' in groupstage because it would take months to finish.

Only way to avoid tiebreakers is MSL-style groups rather than OSL-style round robin--which is arguably less "fair" because not everyone gets to play everyone else.

Well in IPL and MLG teams have to lose 2 bo3 to be kicked out of the tourney, and for the IEM world championship it is a group of 6, so that every team gets at least 5 games. Only the smaller IEM tourneys have as few games per team as the OGN tournament.
Everybody knows that the results for these bo1s are extremely random.
Off-season = best season
darkcloud8282
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada776 Posts
July 13 2012 16:02 GMT
#628
doesnt Gsl run bo3 in group stages? i dont see the problem unless they dont have their own studio and cant run games every night..
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 16:21:35
July 13 2012 16:13 GMT
#629
On July 14 2012 00:56 Redox wrote:
Well in IPL and MLG teams have to lose 2 bo3 to be kicked out of the tourney, and for the IEM world championship it is a group of 6, so that every team gets at least 5 games. Only the smaller IEM tourneys have as few games per team as the OGN tournament.
Everybody knows that the results for these bo1s are extremely random.

IPL and MLG first off have less teams participating--and therefore can afford to skip even having groupstages (neither MLG nor IPL have run groupstages), and also don't have to fit as strict of a time constraint as OGN does.

It's broadcast television FFS. It's not like the league just gets to pick however long they want to run the league. They were probably provided with a time-frame and broadcast schedule and were forced to come up with a format that could finish in the allotted time.

On July 14 2012 01:02 darkcloud8282 wrote:
doesnt Gsl run bo3 in group stages? i dont see the problem unless they dont have their own studio and cant run games every night..

They're running on live television. Big difference from GSL, because GSL isn't competing with anyone else's time-slot. GSL can essentially set their own schedule because they're not being TV-broadcast, whereas the OGN league has to fit in their allotted broadcast slot. Just because OGN owns the studio doesn't mean it's feasible for them to monopolize that time slot every night of the week.
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
July 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#630
On July 14 2012 01:02 darkcloud8282 wrote:
doesnt Gsl run bo3 in group stages? i dont see the problem unless they dont have their own studio and cant run games every night..


You would also have to consider the average game time for a SC2 game and a LoL game. A Bo3 in SC2 goes ~30-60 min on average while a LoL Bo3 would take ~90-120 min on average. Of course there are exceptions where you get a 60 min TvT or a 20 min surrender but leagues have to make schedules based on the average.
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Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
July 13 2012 20:42 GMT
#631
The group format is definitely not ideal but it's hard to do something else on live television since a LoL bo3 may take from 2x20=40min to 3x45min=2h15min. There are also technical issues sometimes that complicate things even more.

As for the final games of group B, I thought Dignitas were the weaker team but I expected them to go out in a close game. Azubu Frost were the stronger team (finished 2nd Spring) and I have a lot of respect for MaknooN, he is a beast both as a player and a team captain. I remember him since I was first watching lol streams through Hotshot and MaknooN had great mechanics despite the Korean ping.

A bit sad to see Dignitas go but shit happens when competition level is so high. All groups in my mind have 3 great teams and 1 weak one. I expect Xenics Storm to top Group C with ease but I got no clue about will get 2nd.
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
July 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#632
Also, let's not compare this to MLG. MLG is a marathon 3 day tourney, all the games are played w/ in one weekend, meaning teams have only hours to prepare for their next opponent. Korean tournaments are LONG. Each team has had a week(and in this case +2 days) to prepare strategies for just 3 games. It's a very different dynamic, and a different game when you have 2 weeks instead of 2 hours. It's like comparing strategy between the NBA on a shortened season and the NFL. The amount of preparation and specific strategies are totally different
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 15:50:32
July 15 2012 15:50 GMT
#633
I wasn't going to do this originally but I guess I am now.. ~.~

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1043DDA2EA2B7E9A

Group B games are all up now ~.~
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
July 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#634
On July 16 2012 00:50 Live2Win wrote:
I wasn't going to do this originally but I guess I am now.. ~.~

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1043DDA2EA2B7E9A

Group B games are all up now ~.~



I put it in the OP. If its not okay for you just message me.
I just realized that a Results information is missing, too. Will update when I wake up.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 15 2012 23:16 GMT
#635
speaking of the format, even though most lol players will know the penalties to Frost aren't that significant and potentially not even helpful (OGN should have made them skip the 3rd ban if anything). why were they penalized vs Najin and not vs Diginitas?? just by pure luck of the draw NJSword gets to play a team facing a penalty? I really didn't like that.

also update on premium service, still sucks, VODs posted ~6pm est
Carrilord has arrived.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 15 2012 23:22 GMT
#636
Who will be playing this week?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
July 16 2012 00:09 GMT
#637
On July 16 2012 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Who will be playing this week?


Xenics, ST, Na'Vi, CJ
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
July 16 2012 03:11 GMT
#638
xenics and ST should be pretty heavy favorites right?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 16 2012 03:14 GMT
#639
On July 16 2012 12:11 adriftt wrote:
xenics and ST should be pretty heavy favorites right?


Indeed.
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 16 2012 03:47 GMT
#640
On July 16 2012 12:11 adriftt wrote:
xenics and ST should be pretty heavy favorites right?

Through recent CLG.na scrims and battle royale vs Startale, and along with Dignitas' interview about the Asian scene, I got the impression that Startale was actually one of the weaker teams
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