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On March 29 2011 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:
How do you only have 112 cs on nasus in 31 minutes? Do people duo lane nasus with soraka? (and get zoned hard)
Guessing from team-comp he was duo lane bot with soraka. I don't think his CS is all that low considering he kept up with his top solo.
Edit- I would also guess he was facing shen/urgot bot which seems lik it would be a pretty abusive lane.
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On March 29 2011 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:
How do you only have 112 cs on nasus in 31 minutes? Do people duo lane nasus with soraka? (and get zoned hard)
Yeah, show these baddies how it should be done! Chrispy and numbers nubs
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Alright so I'm not against paying to play this thang (LoL is a free game my ass) but if we do it just turned into serious business and we're gonna need to step up our game. I looked at the teams and in reality we're underdogs but we've still got a decent chance at winning some shit.
Couple of things though...
1. If we're going to have to pay there's no sense in having 15 members, we're probably going to need to cut it down to 6-7 people who are dedicated enough.
2. Are the games really at 5:00 AM pst or am I just getting trolled.
3. Play more often together. Buy ruru a mic. Buy Ezpz real computer/internet.
4. Work in progress. L0l
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Shen and urgot lane was retardedly bad and they got destroyed. I don't know, I assume it was because I spent most of the time not farming? LOL what else is there to say. And It's not even that low tbh considering the rest of the teams cs.
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I could totally chip in if you guys feel like kicking it up a notch. Not paying for ezpz's new computer though, fuck that.
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I would be willing to play in this thing, but realistically speaking I'm probably dead weight on the team since we've expanded our roster.
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Teach me to play at a higher level = cheapest solution.
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TL needs another dedicated jungler besides dsc. And get 2-3 guys as dedicated bot lane and have them play more champ combinations together. I don't worry about our solo lanes because we have players with great mechanics. But games can easily snowball out of control due to poor jungling/bot lane control.
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On March 29 2011 01:26 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:
How do you only have 112 cs on nasus in 31 minutes? Do people duo lane nasus with soraka? (and get zoned hard) Guessing from team-comp he was duo lane bot with soraka. I don't think his CS is all that low considering he kept up with his top solo. Edit- I would also guess he was facing shen/urgot bot which seems lik it would be a pretty abusive lane.
Kept up with solo top yet they won the game about 150 global cs behind xD.
As on EU player I absolutely can't understand putting ashe who has GREAT harass solo lane and putting Nasus who has NO harass bot lane when soraka is a champ who excels at harass lanes because she can heal and give mana. If I was going nasus bot I'd want someone like alistar/taric or someone possibly part time roaming who I can actually pressure the other team with something like stun Q shatter and Whither-->Stun-->Spirit fire-->shatter-->Q combos to go for kills.
Like I've never vs'd a kassadin top (EU player) but I imagine it'd be something like xin vs kass in that he literally can't harass you because you heal more than he regens mana, and he can't really fight you 1v1 either.
Then again, nobody goes shen bot lane on EU, maybe shen urgot can score kills against a really squishy lane like that.
I guess ashe/nasus/soraka rampaged that game anyway though, so I guess I shouldn't question.
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On March 29 2011 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
TL needs another dedicated jungler besides dsc. And get 2-3 guys as dedicated bot lane and have them play more champ combinations together. I don't worry about our solo lanes because we have players with great mechanics. But games can easily snowball out of control due to poor jungling/bot lane control.
I could definitly act as a one trick pony jungle player (as in, avg / bad at everything but jungle) if you really do need one I can certainly fill that role with Shaco / Udyr / WW / Trundle
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On March 29 2011 02:48 Slayer91 wrote:
As on EU player I absolutely can't understand putting ashe who has GREAT harass solo lane and putting Nasus who has NO harass bot lane when soraka is a champ who excels at harass lanes because she can heal and give mana.
:wat:
what excellent harass does ashe have for a duo lane? her levels are coming slower so volley's cooldown is going to be really high and she's going to be laning against two tanky dps/tanks 95% of the time. either she specs defensively so she can survive a combo like flip->pulverize->headbutt->poison and her auto attacks do 0 damage to the champs, or she specs offensively and dies every time alistar's flash is up. bot lanes aren't about chipping away at the enemy with auto attacks, bot lane deaths are always burst deaths or jungle ganks
and nasus in a solo has excellent harass. all three of his skills are beastly in lane. spirit fire keeps you off creeps, siphon strike takes 1/3rd of your life if you venture too close, and wither lets him get close enough to siphon you a couple times
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wait maybe i'm misunderstanding you
i read your post as saying that ashe is better in a duo and nasus is a bad solo
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On March 29 2011 03:00 gtrsrs wrote:
wait maybe i'm misunderstanding you
i read your post as saying that ashe is better in a duo and nasus is a bad solo
He said he is from EU - they DO give ashe a duo lane. Ahh EU - the land of Wickd's funny inventions.
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On March 29 2011 03:00 gtrsrs wrote:
wait maybe i'm misunderstanding you
i read your post as saying that ashe is better in a duo and nasus is a bad solo
I'm saying that Nasus farms much better in a solo and ashe does much better in a duo in general. Ashe harass comes from being ranged and having volley, and she can safely farm creeps from a long range. The only way to have any lane presence with nasus is to burn a lot of mana.
Again, maybe its the meta, because I wouldn't want to be in a duo lane with Nasus Soraka against your typical ashe/corki/janna because you'd get harassed to death and your only chance is to burn your whither and hope to get tons of damage off. Spirit fire just pushes lane since they are both ranged anyway. Again tankier combos nasus might do a bit better, but you won't get a kill because your DPS output isn't that high against anyone tanky early game. (high CD on Q)
I mean if you're with a support who can force fights thats great because you can put out a lot of damage, instead of just burning half your mana for some auto hits.
I don't have much practice playing Nasus duo since 99% of people go ranged/support bot but the times I did I didn't have much fun at all. You just can't farm like you can in a solo.
I play almost always top with Nasus right now and I pretty much never use spirit fire except for jungle ganks because the damage output is nowhere near the mana cost. I only use whither if say I'm laning vs irelia and she's trying to harass me with QE I whither her and do way more damage than she did to me. It's like if I need to stop them bullying my lane I have to use whither to fight back, but its preferable to farm Q with the extra mana. You won't get a kill with whither spamming unless they play agressive or you're timing your whithers for when your lane is pushing.
Should have probably put this in the nasus forum with a quote. Damn.
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Then again you're European.
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Just for the record I'm pretty sure Westrice/Feedfest went ashe/janna bot against jarvan/taric (although taric was doublelift and half roaming, maybe bad sample) against CLG and they like, won the lane. (I was watching regi's prespective but it looked like they were zoning them pretty hard)
EU meta best meta!
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The problem with jungling at this level is that unless you have a lot of experience doing it, you will get rolled. DSC is awesome cuz its what he does, and he has done it at a high level for quite a while, and seen most everything I would assume.
Im a dedicated jungle, and pretty fucking good at it, but the problem I have is that while I can jungle near everyone, counterjungle effectively, ect I dont have enough experience playing against better jungles than myself.
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I honestly don't get how Jarman + Taric don't just combo dump on Janna at level 2 in that lane, tbh.
And yea, I consider myself a very good solo queue jungler in the 1800 range, but in these Arranged tourney games I feel really uncomfortable jungling and am consistently impressed with DSC's decision making in the jungle.
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