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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 10:28:56
February 14 2011 10:25 GMT
#221
I feel like Solomid focusing on Jiji all the time was wrong, when they were fighting under their inhi Chauster was quite an easy target and i feel like Corki was their biggest problem that game (after 2. kill on anivia). Good game though
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#222
What about the actual VOD of the game with sound? Was that recorded anywhere?

For CLG VS TSM
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
February 14 2011 14:33 GMT
#223
To be honest TSM just lost the map control going for dragon. Giving up towers and allowing that much farming was more beneficial then dragon bonus. In any CLG match they don't even consider dragon unless they are given it for free w/o a tradeoff.
Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
February 14 2011 14:51 GMT
#224
As odd as it sounds, I think to improve on their team Solomid need a bit of a re-branding effort. The community is called Solomid.. and from watching their streams, all of them love to play, you guessed it.. solo mid. The jungling and support skills just aren't there in any shape, and their teamplay suffers because of it. CLG are almost proud to have skills at jungling and at various support/tank heroes, and their teamplay is at the top of the game because of it right now.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 14 2011 14:51 GMT
#225
Isnt dragon a bit overrated anyway? It feels like towers + free farm + map control outweights the bonus you get from dragon
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
February 14 2011 16:12 GMT
#226
On February 14 2011 23:33 mrgerry wrote:
To be honest TSM just lost the map control going for dragon. Giving up towers and allowing that much farming was more beneficial then dragon bonus. In any CLG match they don't even consider dragon unless they are given it for free w/o a tradeoff.

CLG pretty much pushed them into doing that, I remember having that distinct feeling during the game. The 2 big fail teamfights from TSM were what cost them the game, 3 if we include when they didn't fight at their red leaving CLG with 2 reds for the following teamfight which saw them getting absolutely crushed.

But tbh it's a matter of learning as reginald said before the game, TSM have very little cohesion and they have to build it all up in the smallest time frame. All my hopes are put into doublelift. He doesn't seem to choke and if they manage to pull off a bait and switch he will do great.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
February 14 2011 18:27 GMT
#227
What are the odds of forming a TL B-Team? I'd really like to start participating in this.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 14 2011 18:28 GMT
#228
Why is it that Warwick is no longer a competitive jungle pick? Olaf, Nunu, and Trundle were basically the only three I saw in any of these games.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 14 2011 18:29 GMT
#229
warwick is for stomping in solo q as a jungler with an amazing lategame/doing damage

in competitive play your damage comes from your 2 solos, rest of the team you usually want tanky.
Brees on in
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
February 14 2011 18:40 GMT
#230
On February 15 2011 03:27 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
What are the odds of forming a TL B-Team? I'd really like to start participating in this.


+/- finding a team captain that's willing to take on that responsibility.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
February 14 2011 18:40 GMT
#231
On February 15 2011 03:28 arnath wrote:
Why is it that Warwick is no longer a competitive jungle pick? Olaf, Nunu, and Trundle were basically the only three I saw in any of these games.



Olaf, Nunu, and Trundle I feel are stronger and tankier than warwick and are less likely to die to mass cc chains.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
February 14 2011 19:07 GMT
#232
Loco explained that they picked Trundle partially to counter Cho'gath.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 14 2011 19:15 GMT
#233
On February 14 2011 11:18 0123456789 wrote:
We lost, but let's learn from our mistakes. There's another week, and we can still go at it if people want to come back for another try. Being so close and losing, f that. There's another week, another chance, a whole week to get better.


I think to get better, we need to understand and learn from our mistakes, and practice. Just observing what I saw, the last game we played, we had no damage and we lost our lanes. When things aren't supposed to go the way they should, a lot of miscommunication happens. I don't know, I feel like there should be more communication between the team.

I really think a big part of this game is laning. You win your lane, and suddenly phases after laning become easier. Lose your lane, and you have to fight an uphill battle. That uphill battle is really hard to fight if teams don't make mistakes. I think that is how skill equates to 5's. How well you can play your lane. Adding to things other than laning, I obviously felt like our comp had no dmg. 3 tanks, support, and a carry. They could easily just kite us and run, and we got no kills. Other than the laning mistakes, we personally picked ashe to go up against ezreal and gragas to go up against anivia, but gragas laned against ezreal, and anivia laned against ashe. Also, I went taric, but I think soraka nasus was a better lane than taric nasus. After trying it out, having 2 melee with suboptimal harass/dmg makes you defensive and a bad lane.

Another part of our play, I feel like we died to a lot of ganks the last two games. I died to a gank the first game that I should not have died to. A lot and lot of ganks.

Personally, I felt like I did not perform up to the standard that I should have performed. Teamwise, I felt like xpecial's team was a team we should have beaten. Teamwise, I also think we need more variety in our picks.


Please share your thoughts on the game and what you observed, what you believe can be fixed/done better, and if you will play again next week.




I think if we can, we should go for two or three ranked games a day where we can play to just practice. What time is good for you guys? I know every1 that played the game today, plays the game almost every day to every day, and are active. Input on thoughts please.

My opinion is that we should all set ourselves to autojoin chat 'TL ESL' and then try to get some ranked 5s in once 5 of us are available.

Also, is everyone cool with Vent or should we use my Teamspeak server?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 14 2011 19:15 GMT
#234
On February 15 2011 03:27 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
What are the odds of forming a TL B-Team? I'd really like to start participating in this.

I'm down to play. I think id be fun to give it a shot.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
February 14 2011 19:20 GMT
#235
PM for those interested in a B-Team. I'm not sure where to place the skill cap. Highest I've gotten is 1731 so I guess around that area? I don't expect us to rape face but it'll be a good learning experience to get us into the A Team some day!
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
February 14 2011 19:30 GMT
#236
Tapioca reporting for B team duty.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 20:08:38
February 14 2011 19:30 GMT
#237
I am down for NA ESL aswell if you need moar for the B-team. I love playing tournaments even knowing I will have a pretty slim chance at winning it (if any at all you should see my go4sc, TSL and Norwegian SC2 cups history).

EDIT: wait I am to bad for the B-team aren't I? t.t
washed
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 20:37:37
February 14 2011 20:24 GMT
#238
mispost
i wish riot would give me better ping
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 14 2011 20:27 GMT
#239
On February 15 2011 05:24 locodoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 23:33 mrgerry wrote:
To be honest TSM just lost the map control going for dragon. Giving up towers and allowing that much farming was more beneficial then dragon bonus. In any CLG match they don't even consider dragon unless they are given it for free w/o a tradeoff.

oddone is the best jungler in game and saint is one of the best duo laners 0.O

Loco, you need to explain to me what you guys were thinking going with tank sion. While I'm sure it can be good, it looked to me like saint was having an incredibly hard time farming, and Chaox was getting a lot more last hits than them. Wouldnt it have been optimal to run a true tank bot, or at least one who was easier to farm like singed?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
February 14 2011 20:34 GMT
#240
On February 14 2011 23:51 Psyqo wrote:
As odd as it sounds, I think to improve on their team Solomid need a bit of a re-branding effort. The community is called Solomid.. and from watching their streams, all of them love to play, you guessed it.. solo mid. The jungling and support skills just aren't there in any shape, and their teamplay suffers because of it. CLG are almost proud to have skills at jungling and at various support/tank heroes, and their teamplay is at the top of the game because of it right now.

oddone is probably hands down the best jungler in game and saint is probably the best sidelaner in game
i wish riot would give me better ping
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