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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 04 2009 03:00 GMT
#21
One question first, why are you going with a micro atx mobo?

and for the record i think there are a few things that should be changed, but let's go step by step.
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
July 04 2009 03:04 GMT
#22
On July 04 2009 11:56 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can get a GTX 260 Extreme+ 896 MB for $30+, but getting to 1GB is another hundred dollars.

What resolution will you play at?
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 03:06:54
July 04 2009 03:06 GMT
#23
On July 04 2009 12:00 Etherone wrote:
One question first, why are you going with a micro atx mobo?

and for the record i think there are a few things that should be changed, but let's go step by step.


No idea. a non-micro one is 20- so i can change that.
http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_parts/parts_detail.php?h=d&f=d&m=parts&ic=90563&lf=0

On July 04 2009 12:04 Shade692003 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 11:56 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can get a GTX 260 Extreme+ 896 MB for $30+, but getting to 1GB is another hundred dollars.

What resolution will you play at?


No idea, havent bought a monitor yet. A... good one?
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phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 03:14:38
July 04 2009 03:11 GMT
#24
On July 04 2009 11:44 ghermination wrote:
you might want to go for a 10,000 rpm drive and then just get a cheap external drive, because 1tb is only i think 120 USD, and a 300gb 10,000rpm drive is also about 100 USD.


since when did that happen? a 300GB velociraptor for 100 USD?!?!?! cheapest i've seen is 220$

On July 04 2009 11:58 faseman wrote:
Yeah I don't think fast hard drives are worth it. What's the point of loading a few seconds faster than your opponent, when you have to wait for them anyway? They are snappier in loading apps and all that, but if you look at purely SC2 performance, they're not really worth the money.

Well, my friend has an i7 PC, hd4870, running windows 7 and he says his performance bottleneck is most definitely his 7200RPM HDD. So like you might load faster in SC2, but I mean, you'll notice that loading everything else is faster too.

I'm doing an i7 build, and I'm opting for hd 4890 + the 10k RPM hdd. I don't want any slow downs in my build
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
July 04 2009 03:12 GMT
#25
I'm asking the resolution because 1G of vram will only really make a difference starting a 1920x1080 and higher. On newegg.com, the 4870 1 GB is cheaper than the gtx260 896mb, so if you plan to play at 1920x1080 (most 24inches monitor) I'd stick with the 4870.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
July 04 2009 03:15 GMT
#26
I don't think I will need that much since my monitor will be 22" at most I think.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 03:31:15
July 04 2009 03:24 GMT
#27
1st, Fast Harddisk doesnt worth it. Just current Harddrive is ok. But I would recommend Seagate 7200.12 series over Hitachi.

2nd, If you go for the Quadcore from Intel now, you will not be able to upgrade your PC later on because Intel now switchs to new i7 series with diffirence sockets. So if you go for Quadcore from AMD(socket AM3) you will be able to upgrade your CPU later on since Phenom series is just switch to AM3.
I like AMD alot so my opinion will be bias on AMD, but if you have no reference, I think you should go for AMD, cos its cheaper and does the same job. Would recommend Phenom II X3(triple core) or X4(quadcore)

3rd. An Nvidia card will be better at this point. Would recommend a 260GTX or 275 GTX at most.

4th. Buy mobo from Asus, Gigabyte will fine. Buy ATX mobos since they have better PCI layer board, or even better capitators.

5th. If you go for AMD, make sure to get the DDR3 RAM 1333

6th. You will not know if all these parts will work perfectly together, that the disadvantage of putting computer together by yourself but the chance you have problems is less than 5% though.

7th. As long as monitor is concerned. Go for 22'' or more with 16. Monitor is pretty cheap right now, with around 200USD you can get a nice one. Go for brand like Samsung, Viewsonic or even BenQ and LG is also ok.
Terran
sillyboy_tomato
Profile Joined July 2008
United States157 Posts
July 04 2009 03:28 GMT
#28
Doesnt Radeon run better with an AMD processor? And a Geoforce with an Intel Pentium processor?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 04 2009 03:32 GMT
#29
hmm any reason why people are recommending the gtx260 over the 4870? they are around the same price from what i see and the 4870 is the better performer.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
NoNones
Profile Joined June 2009
41 Posts
July 04 2009 03:37 GMT
#30
260 vs 4870 performs about the same but there are nvidia and ATI bais games, games just tend to work like that like GRIND for ATI and Crysis for Nvidia. It's w.e is cheapest of the two for GTX260 (216 core) vs 4870 1 gig
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 04 2009 03:43 GMT
#31
On July 04 2009 12:15 Manifesto7 wrote:
I don't think I will need that much since my monitor will be 22" at most I think.


honestly get a gtx260, the prices on it are dirt cheap and it is more than you will need for a while. although 4870 is enough for any game on max for a 20" as for a 24" you would better go up to the 1gb 4870 or gtx260+ region.

do not get a 22" get either 24" or 20".

the ram is good 1x4 is nice and gives you expandability, although i do not personally have any experience with Pulsar ram so i would suggest you look for some feedback on that.

mobo: i asked because the mobo you have up is a micro atx mobo. since you are not going to be picky about it i sugest Gigabyte GA-EP45C-UD3R better cheaper, and reliable. that or the P5Q PRO this link is for the Turbo version, because i didn't find the regular right away XD. but yea nothing wrong with the turbo, they just charge you 10 bucks for a few perks. anywho the P5Q PRO is the epitome of stability, this mobo is the shit, easily the most recommended mobo by people who know wtf they are talking about, and don't hate asus.
that being said i hate asus lol), because on the OFF chance that you get a faulty mobo their customer support is garbage, it will take you forever to get a new one.

HDD: go for a 640gb WD6400AAKS I swear by this HDD

PSU: I nit pick heavily when shopping for PSUs, so if it isn't a known reliable well priced PSU, i run like it's the plague. bad PSU's are the number one cause of PC heartache, they will burn quickly and they will take something with them. pick the rest of the build and i will pick a PSU for you, since there are a lot of great ones to choose from.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 04 2009 03:44 GMT
#32
On July 04 2009 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 12:00 Etherone wrote:
One question first, why are you going with a micro atx mobo?

and for the record i think there are a few things that should be changed, but let's go step by step.


No idea. a non-micro one is 20- so i can change that.
http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_parts/parts_detail.php?h=d&f=d&m=parts&ic=90563&lf=0

micro atx is only a size difference so unless your cooler is going to be huge or something i dont think it'll make too much of a difference.

the p45 you linked is actually cheaper (on newegg) though and has more room for expansion.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 03:49:25
July 04 2009 03:45 GMT
#33
On July 04 2009 12:32 mahnini wrote:
hmm any reason why people are recommending the gtx260 over the 4870? they are around the same price from what i see and the 4870 is the better performer.


because he is going for a 512mb 4870 which is worse than a gtx 260. if he were to get a 4870 1gb i would easily back him up, i am an ati fanboy to some extent. ^ ^

edit: omg i didn't mention the CPU.

go find a Q6600 QUICK, i heard it went out of production, and i will be all you'll need for quite some time. the overclock-ability on it is insane. it's reliable and really cheap.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
July 04 2009 03:47 GMT
#34
Nvidia fanboy here :D.
When AMD purchased ATI...I feel really weird since I am a AMD fanboy but cant get myself to like ATI ... Their problems with Catalys drivers in the past scared the hell out of me
Terran
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 04 2009 03:51 GMT
#35
On July 04 2009 12:47 Caphe wrote:
Nvidia fanboy here :D.
When AMD purchased ATI...I feel really weird since I am a AMD fanboy but cant get myself to like ATI ... Their problems with Catalys drivers in the past scared the hell out of me


outdated rumors
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1303 Posts
July 04 2009 03:53 GMT
#36
I don't want to sound biased, but I would srsly reconsider buying that ATI Gfx Card instead of some nVidia. ATI never managed to catch up driver-wise and is pretty sloppy when it comes to fixing problems (TV out not working at all, crashing, driver issues etc). I'm pretty sure I'll get some hard flames for that, but I just sum up the problems we get reported from our customers (which are enought to be taken srsly) and what *help* we could expect from ATI (if any at all). I think AMD/ATI benefits way to much from the common belief that "there cannot be that much of a difference" and "such a huge company cannot have such grave problems". But there is/they do.
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
July 04 2009 03:55 GMT
#37
On July 04 2009 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 12:00 Etherone wrote:
One question first, why are you going with a micro atx mobo?

and for the record i think there are a few things that should be changed, but let's go step by step.


No idea. a non-micro one is 20- so i can change that.
http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_parts/parts_detail.php?h=d&f=d&m=parts&ic=90563&lf=0

Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 12:04 Shade692003 wrote:
On July 04 2009 11:56 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can get a GTX 260 Extreme+ 896 MB for $30+, but getting to 1GB is another hundred dollars.

What resolution will you play at?


No idea, havent bought a monitor yet. A... good one?



Definitely change the motherboard to the UD3LR. That motherboard is great, versus your original motherboard being micro and having onboard video, which you will not even be using.

All of your other parts look great (can you tell me the ampage on the 12V rail of the PSU?), but in terms of the best price for performance one really has to just compare the going rates and it looks like Japan is odd in terms of pricing. Everything you have is fully compatible though, so no worries on that front.

I suggest a 2x2GB kit for upgrade ability in the future, unless of course, those are ridiculously more expensive or something.

The list of parts that you have will do a very, very good job of playing SCII, or any game, for that matter. Price-wise you could check to see how much a 4890 is. If the 4890 is within $20-$25 of a 4870, then purchase it.

I picked up a 4870 512MB for $105 including shipping today, whereas a 4890 is going to be $180. Your prices are probably quite different though.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 04 2009 03:57 GMT
#38
On July 04 2009 12:45 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 12:32 mahnini wrote:
hmm any reason why people are recommending the gtx260 over the 4870? they are around the same price from what i see and the 4870 is the better performer.


because he is going for a 512mb 4870 which is worse than a gtx 260. if he were to get a 4870 1gb i would easily back him up, i am an ati fanboy to some extent. ^ ^

edit: omg i didn't mention the CPU.

go find a Q6600 QUICK, i heard it went out of production, and i will be all you'll need for quite some time. the overclock-ability on it is insane. it's reliable and really cheap.

ah. so the gtx260 core 216 is on par with the 1gb 4870 but the old gtx260 is not?

q6600 actually jumped up in price for some reason. it's 199$ on newegg now when it used to sell for $189 i think. also mani said he wouldnt be overclocking.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 03:57:59
July 04 2009 03:57 GMT
#39
Got for the GTX 260 if it is only $20-$30 more. I picked one up not too long ago and I've been playing every game maxed on my 24" monitor at 1920x1200. Make sure it is the 216 shader version though and not the 192, there is a huge difference. With the latest drivers it has an edge over the 4870 1GB too.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
July 04 2009 03:58 GMT
#40
ATI 4890 for 180$?, now that is something I want
Terran
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