Etherone wrote: some of you forgot Martin Luther King, and that peaceful protest can go a long way, although a much harder road to walk, it is a more righteous one, and one with less blood.
Yes, MLK's way is great, now all we need is someone willing to sacrifice himself and become a martyr. That's been the issue all along, the muslim world doesn't use martyrdom enough.
MamiyaOtaru wrote: That's democracy for you. The winner is the one with the most supporters, not the one whose supporters are more vocal, or university educated, or better connected with the West or whatever the case may be.
QFT, and that's why democracy is as retarded as monarchy, tyranny, dictatorship, republic and most other rules of government.
sith wrote: No kidding. I'm calling bullshit on the boycott of this thread based on that quote. It isn't even something fox news said, it's something THEY got from the government. And they really aren't THAT bad, despite how the internet hates them.
And THAT's where I stopped reading anything YOU write. ^^
You best be trollin'. If not...I have lost faith in humanity.
And whats with the liberal/conservative confusion? If you're not from America I can kinda understand, but let me lay it down for you.
Fox News: CONSERVATIVE news source in America, at least comparatively to other media like CNN and stuff (which is more liberal leaning usually). Huffington Post: as LIBERAL as you can get.
If Fox News claimed that they present the news from a conservative perspective, then I think a lot of people wouldn't have as much beef with them as they do now. But for a long time, their entire marketing spiel was that they're "fair and balanced," when they clearly aren't. By contrast, Huffington Post is unabashedly liberal and doesn't try to hide it.
Back on topic, this is the most exciting potential regime change since the fall of the Soviet Union. I can't wait to see how it turns out. Finally, America's terrible mistake in 1951 will be fixed once and for all.
ballets cast - 37.4 million (81%) Spoilt ballets - 600,000 (1.6%) Mir Hossein Mousavi - 21.3 million (57.2%) Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - 10.5 million (28%) Mohsen Rezaei - 2.7 million (7.2%) Mehdi Karrubi - 2.2 million (6%)
No idea if that is what actually being said on that page or not.
Also reports of Guards not allowing wounded into Hospitals. Also some are reporting the invasion of the University forces used teargas and many injured, as well some Students dead.
wow bringing in foreign troops to support the government seems pretty desperate. I'm surprised these protest are still on going. These things especially when mostly backed by young adults seem to lose momentum quickly in the west.
WTF!Just woke up and saw some anti-riot polices breaking car windows to blame protests for it! Read same news from others areas on Twitter!
Tehran seems to have gone quite, I read, where people going to work or just tired or Revolutionizing. No idea if the general strike scheduled for tomorrow is still supported.
On June 15 2009 10:25 fearus wrote: Wow the western media has done a real hit job on this. You preach democracy and freedom, then cry foul and cheat when you lose by a landslide.
sighhh
did you read anything in the thread before you posted?
On June 15 2009 10:25 fearus wrote: Wow the western media has done a real hit job on this. You preach democracy and freedom, then cry foul and cheat when you lose by a landslide.
sighhh
Yeah the riots are all because of the Western media and/or CIA.
On June 15 2009 10:25 fearus wrote: Wow the western media has done a real hit job on this. You preach democracy and freedom, then cry foul and cheat when you lose by a landslide.
sighhh
lol what the hell are you talking about?
Even if Ahmadinejad won fairly, the protests and responses should tell you that he shouldn't rule. I'm not much a fan of democracy in the best of times, however, the voting process seems hardly as transparent as it is here in the states (where voter fraud does still happen, but can only happen on much smaller scale. Though the elections are tighter, too in the US).
Its not like i know much of anything about his opponent other than he seems more moderate and more willing to negotiate with the United States and Europe. But anytime you can get someone who is a holocaust denier, who trying to develop a nuclear program out of power, and who has the support of religious fundamentalists, it can only be a good thing.
sith wrote: And whats with the liberal/conservative confusion? If you're not from America I can kinda understand, but let me lay it down for you.
Here's the thing though. I'll admit I don't watch FOX News daily, which yes DOES mean, that the bits I get from say the Daily Show are there to make them seem retarded.
But: That doesn't mean they aren't retarded. You only have to kill 1 person to be a murderer, it's not something you need to be doing on a regular basis. FOX on the other hand do talk negative ignorant crap a lot. And don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting for MSNBC or anything like that. Being an extremist is retarded, it doesn't matter what extreme you're talking about.
As for the issue of democracy, it does suck and it is flawed. It works in theory where you're assuming that everyone's opinion is worth the same, that just isn't the case though. My opinion about Starcraft and how I might feel like Zerg is the weakest race doesn't make my opinion worth as much as the pros or the people who've been part of the community for many years.
Likewise, on one hand you might have someone who has no idea about the world, human rights and the world situation is. Now that person's vote counts for the same as an educated unbiased person who has looked at things from all angles and drawn conclusion from years of discussion and experience.
That's democracy, and THAT sir, is unbalanced and BS.
On June 15 2009 10:25 fearus wrote: Wow the western media has done a real hit job on this. You preach democracy and freedom, then cry foul and cheat when you lose by a landslide.
sighhh
Haha, what're you talking about. Most American News Sources aren't reporting Jack Shit. They're reporting riots - but they won't move on it because they're either kicked out or threatened. DailyKoS doesn't represent western media in the slightest. When NPR or AP makes a statement about it then you'll know. BBC is an international news source and Iranians were posting about it - now their using Twitter and youtube videos to report.
EPT
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