On June 02 2009 05:04 soudo wrote: You guys know Scientology is the only religion with a CEO right? As in, Chief Executive Officer? As in, collects the money from the followers? Can you name me a legitimate religion with a C fucking EO? You think Buddha has an accountant?
And before you say shit like "Oh wait, Christianity has the Pope!". The pope doesn't collect your money. You can go to church, and you can leave without donating. Not the same with Scientology. That shit is not a religion, it's a cult. Period.
Goddamn, I mean that in and of itself should be enough of a clue. A goddamn CEO.
Try not donating at church and see if anyone gives a shit about you. Your value to their community is absolutely tied to that.
Not always the case, your involvement in the church is what matters much more, most church members (at least the ones I've met at the couple churches I've attended) could care less about the money and care much more about involvement in community activities, like if they are hosting a picnic coming there to help set up or helping make the food means a lot more to them than the 2 dollars you put in the pan each Sunday.
The main purpose of the tithe is to help support the pastor/leader because in larger churches that is their full time job (in baptist communities) and in Catholic churches it's meant to help support the priest. Most smaller churches (protestant ones, Catholic churches are not as populous so they tend to be larger) the pastor works another job and teaches on Sundays and Wednesdays so tithe goes towards Church activities or isn't collected at all.
Religious people aren't as bad as you make them out to be, granted there is a portion that can be considered Sunday Christians but for the most part they're just like you except the have a different belief.
Having said that I do not attend church anymore for various reasons (a lot of the churches in my area tend to have a lot of gossipy southern families so it turns more into a competition to out do each other than actually going there to organize community projects and discuss the bible) and I realize there are negatives to churches. But before you get a rage hard on remember that not everyone is the stereotypical zealot and a religious person isn't stupid, it's just a separate belief.
I know I drifted super far away the main thread topic but what you said caught my attention.
My thing was really broad and not a general attack on religious people, regardless of what I think of them. Was kinda just noting that it's not as cut and dry as you can show up to church and not contribute and it's all fine and dandy by them (much like scientology). Scientology is also much, much newer and I'd imagine they're looking for real devout people, and you'd think you'd have to be really into it to commit money. Christianity has the benefit of several million members, so a few skimping out doesn't hurt as much.
About volunteering, that definitely is good for them and appreciated. But if people in the community know you make money, you're certainly expected to be donating a chunk of it.
Wikipedia has banned the Church of Scientology and its members from editing its site after discovering that members of the church were editing articles in order to give the church favorable coverage.
The move is being hailed as "an unprecedented effort to crack down on self-serving edits," and it is the first instance in which Wikipedia has banned a group as large as the Church of Scientology.
The Register reports:
According to evidence turned up by admins in this long-running Wikiland court case, multiple editors have been "openly editing [Scientology-related articles] from Church of Scientology equipment and apparently coordinating their activities." Leaning on the famed WikiScanner, countless news stories have discussed the editing of Scientology articles from Scientology IPs, and some site admins are concerned this is "damaging Wikipedia's reputation for neutrality."
cont. in link.
Wikipedia also banned some wikipedians from editing articles about scientology because they were too biased. However, scientologists are banned from editing any wikpedia pages. In any case, those IPs that wikipedia banned may not be too impactful since scientologists can still do it through other means. Here is the case that lasted six months.
You know I'm leaning toward this being outrageous. Now scientology is a pretty fucked up 'religion' and it has some extreme, terrorist-like stances like Fair Game which essentially states that enemies have no rights within the scientology ethical framework. This is pretty bad since an enemy is anyone that tries to oppose the spread of this religion. But banning all Scientology IPs is pretty bad. I mean, other than being scientologists, these people could be perfeclty intelligent citizens capable of contributing to various wikipedia articles on other topics.
Im so sick of religion that im okay with it. I hate when people say this (and also hate hypocrisy) but "Get a fucking life." Stop trying to take over the world. Let people say bad shit about you. Who the fuck cares?!? Christians don't act like Jesus, Buddhists don't act like Buddha, and Scientologists have a religion that the creator admitted he MADE UP! If Jesus said. ".... okay seriously I made this shit up." I bet everyone would still be Christian. Makes me sick to see how hordes of people act when their common ideas are threatened. Anyways blah blah blah wiki can do whatever it wants. Just don't read them if it bothers you.
On June 02 2009 05:04 soudo wrote: You guys know Scientology is the only religion with a CEO right? As in, Chief Executive Officer? As in, collects the money from the followers? Can you name me a legitimate religion with a C fucking EO? You think Buddha has an accountant?
And before you say shit like "Oh wait, Christianity has the Pope!". The pope doesn't collect your money. You can go to church, and you can leave without donating. Not the same with Scientology. That shit is not a religion, it's a cult. Period.
Goddamn, I mean that in and of itself should be enough of a clue. A goddamn CEO.
Try not donating at church and see if anyone gives a shit about you. Your value to their community is absolutely tied to that.
Not always the case, your involvement in the church is what matters much more, most church members (at least the ones I've met at the couple churches I've attended) could care less about the money and care much more about involvement in community activities, like if they are hosting a picnic coming there to help set up or helping make the food means a lot more to them than the 2 dollars you put in the pan each Sunday.
The main purpose of the tithe is to help support the pastor/leader because in larger churches that is their full time job (in baptist communities) and in Catholic churches it's meant to help support the priest. Most smaller churches (protestant ones, Catholic churches are not as populous so they tend to be larger) the pastor works another job and teaches on Sundays and Wednesdays so tithe goes towards Church activities or isn't collected at all.
Religious people aren't as bad as you make them out to be, granted there is a portion that can be considered Sunday Christians but for the most part they're just like you except the have a different belief.
Having said that I do not attend church anymore for various reasons (a lot of the churches in my area tend to have a lot of gossipy southern families so it turns more into a competition to out do each other than actually going there to organize community projects and discuss the bible) and I realize there are negatives to churches. But before you get a rage hard on remember that not everyone is the stereotypical zealot and a religious person isn't stupid, it's just a separate belief.
I know I drifted super far away the main thread topic but what you said caught my attention.
My thing was really broad and not a general attack on religious people, regardless of what I think of them. Was kinda just noting that it's not as cut and dry as you can show up to church and not contribute and it's all fine and dandy by them (much like scientology). Scientology is also much, much newer and I'd imagine they're looking for real devout people, and you'd think you'd have to be really into it to commit money. Christianity has the benefit of several million members, so a few skimping out doesn't hurt as much.
About volunteering, that definitely is good for them and appreciated. But if people in the community know you make money, you're certainly expected to be donating a chunk of it.
Oh and srry to double post but I agree most church members don't care about money. If they did, the ones who manipulated them would have a much harder time.
Scientology is different in that they make knowledge of their religion contingent upon giving a certain amount of money to the 'Church'.
Mormonism absolutely was a cult when it started. Basically so was Christianity. So was Islam. The difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of time that has passed since its founding.
On June 01 2009 17:57 Un4Seen wrote: Theres more to it than you know, for one thing they are a very secret society not much is known about its teachings what is publically shown is not even a fragment of what they are aware of, for another thing the person who created it was a possibility in the illuminati and dont be suprised if they are not up to dark arts at the top levels of it.
One thing people must begin to realise is there is extra terrestial forces in the universe and there is groups who know about them some have sold themself for power and wealth to part take in agendas scientology does fit such a description. So dont asume your alone and think there wackos for believing in Aliens because it could very well be that extra terrestials have infuelenced it development with a agenda in mind that you may live to see.
Maybe you should study cultures warnings about 2012 and what it may hold...
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My dear friend.. what are you on and where can I get some?
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