War in Gaza - Page 2

On December 30 2008 22:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
1. Israel is a western nation, their primary industry is high tech, and they don't try and massacre their enemies out of blind hatred.
2. The united states feeds Egypt an equal amount of dough (the 50billion)
3. Israel was bombarded by rockets (and still is, something like a dozen were shot yesterday), breaking the peace treaty, not the other way around, and if I recall in exchange for that peace thousands of Israeli settlers were ripped from their homes, Gaza used to be a nice place I visited it during my trip thru Israel and now its a fucking ghetto.
4. Israel nuke someone?!? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard, they're not you guys, they don't gang up and wages wars with the expressed intent to push those bastards into the sea; I know, radical ideology.
5. Foaming at the mouth anger?!? The US was attacked once and waged two fucking wars on the platform of eradicating terror, Israels been dealing with it in one form or another for half a century, what did you expect, Israel to roll over and die forever. Israel is a fraction of what it was (size), I never seen a country so bent on its own destruction.
6. What this is deceitful bullshit, trying to play the victim, they say in their press conferences(the ones on youtube) that they refuse to bend in their ideology, if they're not going to make any concessions what do they expect to happen? I think the real fucked up thing is that they refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist! As if they're less than human, trespassers, whose swift death is the divine will. Someday, when the all the smoke and mirrors fall down, the world will see the backwards arab world for what it is.
But that's my view of it, please don't ban me from Tl, I'm trying to find to boundaries here, a lot of forums are as*holes about free thought. And I fairly biased as well, both my brother and sister live in Israel along with my 2 nieces.

On December 30 2008 20:05 kazokun wrote:


"The Myth of the Clash of Civilizations"

It's a rather well done dismantling of Samuel P. Huntington's thesis, you should watch it.

On December 30 2008 21:46 Nyovne wrote:


I bet he's actually French.

On December 30 2008 22:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
3. Israel was bombarded by rockets (and still is, something like a dozen were shot yesterday), breaking the peace treaty, not the other way around, and if I recall in exchange for that peace thousands of Israeli settlers were ripped from their homes

. Israel is a fraction of what it was (size), I never seen a country so bent on its own destruction.

6. What this is deceitful bullshit, trying to play the victim, they say in their press conferences(the ones on youtube) that they refuse to bend in their ideology, if they're not going to make any concessions what do they expect to happen? I think the real fucked up thing is that they refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist! As if they're less than human, trespassers, whose swift death is the divine will. Someday, when the all the smoke and mirrors fall down, the world will see the backwards arab world for what it is.

And I fairly biased as well, both my brother and sister live in Israel along with my 2 nieces.

On December 30 2008 22:06 Piy wrote:
It's just the inevitable result of the forced immigration after WW2. It's really nothing to do with the clash of civilisations.

Israel have treated the Palestinians as though they were third class citizens for too long now...

On December 30 2008 22:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
1. Israel is a western nation, their primary industry is high tech, and they don't try and massacre their enemies out of blind hatred.
2. The united states feeds Egypt an equal amount of dough (the 50billion)
3. Israel was bombarded by rockets (and still is, something like a dozen were shot yesterday), breaking the peace treaty, not the other way around, and if I recall in exchange for that peace thousands of Israeli settlers were ripped from their homes, Gaza used to be a nice place I visited it during my trip thru Israel and now its a fucking ghetto.
4. Israel nuke someone?!? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard, they're not you guys, they don't gang up and wages wars with the expressed intent to push those bastards into the sea; I know, radical ideology.
5. Foaming at the mouth anger?!? The US was attacked once and waged two fucking wars on the platform of eradicating terror, Israels been dealing with it in one form or another for half a century, what did you expect, Israel to roll over and die forever. Israel is a fraction of what it was (size), I never seen a country so bent on its own destruction.
6. What this is deceitful bullshit, trying to play the victim, they say in their press conferences(the ones on youtube) that they refuse to bend in their ideology, if they're not going to make any concessions what do they expect to happen? I think the real fucked up thing is that they refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist! As if they're less than human, trespassers, whose swift death is the divine will. Someday, when the all the smoke and mirrors fall down, the world will see the backwards arab world for what it is.
But that's my view of it, please don't ban me from Tl, I'm trying to find to boundaries here, a lot of forums are as*holes about free thought. And I fairly biased as well, both my brother and sister live in Israel along with my 2 nieces.

Yet, in three days, the number of articles I've seen published about the Gaza attacks easily outnumber the sum of those published about the conflict in the Eastern Congo, a war that rivals heavyweights like the second world war in bloodshed. We have no economic interest there, and if anything, our support of Israel has only hindered our rational geopolitical interest in the region. The only reason we care so much is because we see Israelis as one of us, a part of the family, a member of the West whose security is more valuable than 350, or 200,000

On December 30 2008 22:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
1. Israel is a western nation, their primary industry is high tech, and they don't try and massacre their enemies out of blind hatred.
2. The united states feeds Egypt an equal amount of dough (the 50billion)
3. Israel was bombarded by rockets (and still is, something like a dozen were shot yesterday), breaking the peace treaty, not the other way around, and if I recall in exchange for that peace thousands of Israeli settlers were ripped from their homes, Gaza used to be a nice place I visited it during my trip thru Israel and now its a fucking ghetto.
4. Israel nuke someone?!? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard, they're not you guys, they don't gang up and wages wars with the expressed intent to push those bastards into the sea; I know, radical ideology.
5. Foaming at the mouth anger?!? The US was attacked once and waged two fucking wars on the platform of eradicating terror, Israels been dealing with it in one form or another for half a century, what did you expect, Israel to roll over and die forever. Israel is a fraction of what it was (size), I never seen a country so bent on its own destruction.
6. What this is deceitful bullshit, trying to play the victim, they say in their press conferences(the ones on youtube) that they refuse to bend in their ideology, if they're not going to make any concessions what do they expect to happen? I think the real fucked up thing is that they refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist! As if they're less than human, trespassers, whose swift death is the divine will. Someday, when the all the smoke and mirrors fall down, the world will see the backwards arab world for what it is.
But that's my view of it, please don't ban me from Tl, I'm trying to find to boundaries here, a lot of forums are as*holes about free thought. And I fairly biased as well, both my brother and sister live in Israel along with my 2 nieces.

On December 31 2008 01:36 TeCh)PsylO wrote:



How many people have been killed by rocket fire into Israel? I am having trouble finding a good link right now, but I know I have read that in the past 8 years the number is somewhere around 20. In just the past few days the Gaza death toll is over 350, not including injuries. The NYTimes is reporting that about 60 of which have been civilians(number is from the UN). The same lopsided comparison came be made with how many people have had to flee there homes. Since 1967, literally thousands of homes have been destroyed. Home demolition is essentially Israeli policy.

My point is not to justify either sides actions, but to point out the extreme lopsided nature of the conflict. That said, to point to this information as evidence of Israel as the victim not very compelling.

The idea that Israel is a fraction of the size it was, is just false. Israel expands its territory through land settlements. Plus, there territory expanded in the 1967 war. Just look at a map of Israel from 1948 to today. If you are talking about pre-1948 territory, that is a different discussion.

If you have personal bias towards Israel that is understandable, but I think your connections to Israel could be better used giving us inside information that is not readily available to us through the news media.

On December 30 2008 21:58 lb wrote:

nice.