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On August 05 2010 06:26 Belegorm wrote:
Gosh, too long to read this thread. My 2 cents:
The California voters chose a traditional definition of marriage, 1 man + 1 woman. This was in spite of a very $$$ campaign by the homosexual organisations, and violence against the supporters of traditional marriage.
Too exhausted to post any more; just wanted to show my support
I, too, am a supporter of traditional marriage! Women are chattel to be kept barefoot and pregnant at all times!
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ps: the big money surrounding prop 8 came from the out of state Mormons
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On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid".
His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing.
And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation...
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On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid".
No, the fact that I disagree doesn't make it stupid. The fact that his opinion denies the entire principle of separation of powers and protection of minorities makes it stupid. History makes it stupid. What we're talking about right now makes it stupid.
So, yes, it is stupid and deserves no respect.
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On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8  ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid.
How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others.
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On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others.
If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting.
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On August 05 2010 06:19 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. The problem is that legal gay marriage can be beneficial to many couples for [reason reason reason] and would have no effect on your life, yet you choose to support the banning of gay marriage. Don't you see something wrong here?
Again, its an OPINION
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On August 05 2010 06:36 Diuqil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:19 synapse wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. The problem is that legal gay marriage can be beneficial to many couples for [reason reason reason] and would have no effect on your life, yet you choose to support the banning of gay marriage. Don't you see something wrong here? Again, its an OPINION
Again, it's a FUCKING STUPID OPINION.
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On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation...
Well, considering the fact that what constitutes itself as "good" or a "tragedy" is a completely subjective, my point still stands...
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On August 05 2010 06:37 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation... Well, considering the fact that "good" itself is a completely subjective term, my point still stands...
On August 05 2010 06:36 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others. If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting.
Can we cut the semantic BS? It's getting really tiring.
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On August 05 2010 06:38 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:37 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation... Well, considering the fact that "good" itself is a completely subjective term, my point still stands... Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:36 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others. If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting. Can we cut the semantic BS? It's getting really tiring.
You're the one attacking someone else for their personal beliefs. Now why don't you provide an objective basis for that attack and why such an attack is justified rather than assume that your views of how the world should be are absolutely correct and that someone who disagrees with you is "stupid"?
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On August 05 2010 06:40 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:38 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:37 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation... Well, considering the fact that "good" itself is a completely subjective term, my point still stands... On August 05 2010 06:36 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Prop 8 overturned. - CNN
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[quote] Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others. If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting. Can we cut the semantic BS? It's getting really tiring. You're the one attacking someone else for their personal beliefs. Now why don't you provide a basis for that attack rather than assume that your views of how the world should be are absolutely correct and that someone who disagrees with you is "stupid"?
Bear in mind that those beliefs that I'm attacking him for are really stupid.
I (as well as other people) have already explained why. Read the thread. This is the last time I'm going to respond to any of your "IT'S JUST AN OPINION" posts, so actually argue please. (The other dude can get 1 more post out of me.)
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On August 05 2010 06:35 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". No, the fact that I disagree doesn't make it stupid. The fact that his opinion denies the entire principle of separation of powers and protection of minorities makes it stupid. History makes it stupid. What we're talking about right now makes it stupid. So, yes, it is stupid and deserves no respect.
Oh yes, a stupid person deserves no respect. How about a STUPID opinion? Hypocrisy much.
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On August 05 2010 06:43 Diuqil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:35 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". No, the fact that I disagree doesn't make it stupid. The fact that his opinion denies the entire principle of separation of powers and protection of minorities makes it stupid. History makes it stupid. What we're talking about right now makes it stupid. So, yes, it is stupid and deserves no respect. Oh yes, a stupid person deserves no respect. How about a STUPID opinion? Hypocrisy much.
What?
Please be coherent.
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On August 05 2010 06:38 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:37 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation... Well, considering the fact that "good" itself is a completely subjective term, my point still stands... Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:36 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Prop 8 overturned. - CNN EDIT: Proposition 8 has been overturned by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, reports CNN.
The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court, and could reach the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it. Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others. If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting. Can we cut the semantic BS? It's getting really tiring.
but semantics is the only reason gay marriage is an issue! there's literally no other reason to not allow it.
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If more people like Diuqil existed, we'd probably still have no women or black sufferage. He enjoys the status quo so long as it doesn't hurt him.
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On August 05 2010 06:45 Railz wrote:
If more people like Diuqil existed, we'd probably still have no women or black sufferage. He enjoys the status quo so long as it doesn't hurt him.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Good to hear. I'm all for the right of the majority but when it's a human rights issue, the public doesn't make those sort of decisions. Especially when you have a large percent of the population who are prejudiced.
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On August 05 2010 06:49 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:45 Railz wrote:
If more people like Diuqil existed, we'd probably still have no women or black sufferage. He enjoys the status quo so long as it doesn't hurt him. Exactly what I was thinking.
Because change is super scary! D:
Lol
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On August 05 2010 06:42 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:40 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:38 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:37 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:33 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 05 2010 06:31 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:23 Jayme wrote:
An opinion isn't immune from being called stupid, especially when there is no evidence to back up a statement. Why does he need evidence to back up his opinion that he believes in majority rule? It's not like it's a science formula where you could unequivocally prove that one is more correct than the other. It's completely subjective... The fact that you don't happen to personally agree with his opinion doesn't make it "stupid". His opinion isn't that he believes in majority rule, it's that majority rule is a good thing. And yeah, you probably should have evidence to back up a belief that's resulted in so much tragedy from socrates to segregation... Well, considering the fact that "good" itself is a completely subjective term, my point still stands... On August 05 2010 06:36 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:35 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:16 matjlav wrote:On August 05 2010 06:14 Diuqil wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:On August 05 2010 06:08 Gatsbi wrote:On August 05 2010 06:03 Diuqil wrote:[quote] Aw man.. I'm a strong supporter of Prop 8 ...Why? He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs Yes I do. Yes, that too. What is the problem here though? They're just my beliefs, you act like yours are something better, its all an opinion. Yeah, but the difference is that your opinion is backwards and harmful. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid. How do my beliefs harm anyone? And I don't know how an opinion can be backwards. Also, something may be stupid to someone, and something may be a brilliant idea to others. If you're not going to actually make an argument, just stop posting. Can we cut the semantic BS? It's getting really tiring. You're the one attacking someone else for their personal beliefs. Now why don't you provide a basis for that attack rather than assume that your views of how the world should be are absolutely correct and that someone who disagrees with you is "stupid"? Bear in mind that those beliefs that I'm attacking him for are really stupid. I (as well as other people) have already explained why. Read the thread. This is the last time I'm going to respond to any of your "IT'S JUST AN OPINION" posts, so actually argue please. (The other dude can get 1 more post out of me.)
Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and take my time to read 34 pages of a thread just because you refuse to put any effort into responding to my challenge of your attack. Personally, I'm against Prop 8 and I don't believe that majority rule is necessarily best, but that doesn't mean that people for it are stupid. It just means they have a different view of the world and a different standard by which they measure what is, in fact, beneficial for the world. It's perfectly fine to have an opinion and defend it, but you can't reasonably expect everyone else in the world to hold the same priorities that you do or see the world the same way you do.
If you can't understand someone else's sense of values or morals, then please just admit that, express your disagreement, and move on rather than ignorantly insulting them for their beliefs when your beliefs are just as subjective as his. Seriously, what does calling someone stupid or calling an opinion stupid actually accomplish?
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On August 05 2010 06:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Good to hear. I'm all for the right of the majority but when it's a human rights issue, the public doesn't make those sort of decisions. Especially when you have a large percent of the population who are prejudiced.
Precisely this. I'm so happy this has been overturned - I can still remember the shitty feeling of witnessing the voters in my state pass prop 8 two years ago. Finally some fucking justice.
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