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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
June 24 2008 13:02 GMT
#21
Whether it is of significance or not, a secret should remain a secret until time comes (I'm don't know how else to say it). It's just how honor and ethics is. Did MYM even have a (very good)reason to make the lineups public?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 24 2008 13:13 GMT
#22
Thread lacks a poll. Preferably one with two options.

Something like:
[ ] I agree
[ ] You are right
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 24 2008 13:18 GMT
#23
[ ] Boxer
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Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
June 24 2008 14:46 GMT
#24
On June 24 2008 19:54 alffla wrote:
yea blizzard should just come to tl (only)

Seconded.

But seriously, people should follow instructions. -_-
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 24 2008 14:51 GMT
#25
On June 24 2008 21:03 a-game wrote:
hmm

MYM.f91, i think we have both our chinese website source and our MYM website source in one, lol.

it's a treat to have chinese players at any event but in the future Blizzard may have to be advised that our good friends in the chinese community sometimes struggle with confidentiality, god bless their hearts.

i doubt they got it from either f91 or strelok (or any of the other players) as they would have had the correct player lists, including the koreans.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
June 24 2008 15:24 GMT
#26
Even if Blizzard was using an outdated business model, there are still consequences that come with breaching that confidentiality. Then again, IIRC MYM has performed unprofessionally in respect to rumours and whatnot before, so you reap what system you sow.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 24 2008 15:25 GMT
#27
On June 24 2008 21:13 GTR-2-Go wrote:
i don't even understand why mym tries to be a news site.

their a freaking team, not a news outlet. if they want to make a news outlet, make a new site or something.


On June 24 2008 21:39 thedeadhaji wrote:
tl kinda used to be like that too tho? :O


I'm not really an expert on the matter, but I believe TL.net was never associated with 1 team in the same way that mYm is. Reading the oldest newsposts are a party (Moderators that I don't recognize, 1 comment news posts) and while there were many high class gamers from certain teams it's not like there was a team back then that was using a TL.net) Clan tag.

Manifesto, if an esports company asked for something to be kept confidential, it should have been confidential, I agree with you. Just a question before we assign guilt: Who knew the player list? Just the players/organizers or did the leaders community sites (Like you or Chill) know?

I think all the people that say that Blizzard should only trust TL.net because that's like saying we should only buy from Apple because they have the best MP3 player or something. Creating a monopoly is not something that should happen in the fragile eSports world.
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-24 15:40:38
June 24 2008 15:39 GMT
#28
On June 24 2008 19:32 Manifesto7 wrote:
This is my opinion, but it isn't everyone's. What do you think the obligations of community sites are in these situations?

Let me put it this way: TL is the only site that does things properly with stuff like this; other sites don't take anything seriously, and go and ruin aspects of the game for people.

I may make fun of TL and its community from time to time, but there's a good reason I'm only a member of TL and not of other gaming sites.

Granted my membership means relatively little to gaming as a whole, but I hope this makes sense.

Keep doin' what you're doin'.

Edit: Blizzard shouldn't only come to TL, but I think after this (and all of the community's feedback), they'd understand to hold TL in a higher regard than obviously lesser sites. Clearly the people behind the curtains at TL know what to do (and not to do).
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 24 2008 15:52 GMT
#29
On June 25 2008 00:25 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 21:13 GTR-2-Go wrote:
i don't even understand why mym tries to be a news site.

their a freaking team, not a news outlet. if they want to make a news outlet, make a new site or something.


Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 21:39 thedeadhaji wrote:
tl kinda used to be like that too tho? :O


I'm not really an expert on the matter, but I believe TL.net was never associated with 1 team in the same way that mYm is. Reading the oldest newsposts are a party (Moderators that I don't recognize, 1 comment news posts) and while there were many high class gamers from certain teams it's not like there was a team back then that was using a TL.net) Clan tag.


lol

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 24 2008 15:54 GMT
#30
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
June 24 2008 16:02 GMT
#31
yeah it's not like he went to korea and played with that tag or anything
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
June 24 2008 16:08 GMT
#32
On June 24 2008 20:18 thedeadhaji wrote:
you'd have thought MYM would be such a site, considering they are rather large, organized, and professional. But I guess not ¬_¬


MYM used to have a rumors section where they posted all the latest rumors. It got axed I believe.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 24 2008 16:10 GMT
#33
I dont really consider MYM a community site. The fundamental difference is that they are after hits and the nature of a half complete half wrong article shows this clearly.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
June 24 2008 16:16 GMT
#34
Well it seems like they weren't the only ones with the information, they were just the only ones willing to break the trust with which the info was given. So they were wrong in doing that and trying to be special by breaking the news early before they were supposed to.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 24 2008 16:36 GMT
#35
As an ex-admin (another site) I would say maintaining a professional atmosphere is very important. Confidentiality is another important aspect to keep in the back of your minds. It annoys me when people post claims that no one should know. It makes the community look irresponsible and immature. I've always tried to uphold a certain level of maturity, respect, and leadership qualities that make an administrator on any eSport Gaming serious, especially because it's hard to be taken serious already.
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 24 2008 17:29 GMT
#36
Even though Tl.net isn't as fancy looking as other websites (That's what I've heard from a lot of people that don't visit tl.net as regularly as I do) Tl.net is really proffesional when it comes to news and reports. Tl.net staff has so much knowledge on pro-scene compared to any other site... you can ask anything on tl.net and it'll get answered accurately... Tl.net Staff would keep stuff confidential if they had to.

Look at TSL... that's all I got to say.. anyhow this isn't about tl.net...

Yeah that was not right.

w/e
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
June 24 2008 17:34 GMT
#37
this attitude can not possibly work in a professional environment. You can approach people in that way in the community where everyone knows everyone pretty much, and its on friendly basis. But with SC2 coming by, its gonna turn into business, a dog eat dog kinda world. As such the only one to blame for the leak is the company releasing the information, as it is their job to determine who is trustworthy of the information provided, and make people sign the damn NDAs.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
June 24 2008 17:36 GMT
#38
On June 24 2008 19:36 DeadVessel wrote:
If confidentiality was requested it should have remained confidential.

mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-24 23:29:50
June 24 2008 17:39 GMT
#39
The question, imo, isn't about whether a community is justified to leak confidential information, but what actions need to be taken as a result of said community. EDIT:Not naming names. This is not what this is about.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25993 Posts
June 24 2008 17:39 GMT
#40
Manifesto takes this so seriously that he wouldn't even tell myself or Kennigit who was going until just recently.

Seriously.
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