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On March 17 2011 01:13 proot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:39 hoby2000 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:23 Facedriller wrote:The truth is, NASA gave out information about a huge solar flare that would occur 2012, a solar flare is like an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) and it would shut down most if not all satelites and shut down electricity, so we would go back to stone age in terms of technology for a year or more if we're unlucky, the real danger of this is anarchy i suppose. For something to relate to i guess you could see it the way the movie "The Road" played out, although this isnt very likely  . Actually, what NASA said was that the solar flare COULD act like a giant EMP. I mean, it's a solar flare so it has some sort of EMP capability, but they don't know how big of an effect it will have. Could be one computer, could be thousands. Could be the whole fucking world. With this knowledge though, I believe they've prepared for the worst, and will know when it's going to happen as we get closer to said flare. Honestly, it's not that big of a deal. Isn't it possible, if the solar flare is large enough, for the ozone layer to be completely vaporized? That would basically end all life over the course of a week.
You know they said that would happen at year 2000 as well, so actually we're all already dead. (You can't explain that *trollface*).
Seriously though. The prediction of the end of our world has gone on for ages.. there's always been a specific date, not too far in the future, but not too soon either, when people start saying that the world will end for some reason. I think the last was year 2000, and before that there was a comet or something that went past earth, that was supposed to blow everything up.
I wonder what the next will be. Probably that the world will end due to overheating or something at 2050 due to pollution and whatnot.
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I'm going to go burn my degree in logic, as apparently it's as wasted on humanity as it would be a pack of gibbons.
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so 2012 will be the end of humanity or just machines? Because humanity would still find a way to survive and function even without electricity if that were the case.
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it actually says that it will b the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT! so it might just b a huge global change.....
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On March 18 2011 16:05 tenordrummer wrote:
it actually says that it will b the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT! so it might just b a huge global change.....
like uhh...global warming?
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My yogurt expires in 2013, so the world can't end in 2012.
Oh, and this:
+ Show Spoiler +The whole "Mayan *prediction* thing? This is a misinterpretation of the Mayan prophecy. This. Is. A. Misinterpretation. Of. The. Mayan. Prophecy. This false myth arose from the fact that the Mayan calendar happens to reset on December 21, 2012. The significance of this cycle's end is NOT the destruction of... anything. Well, besides ignorance. The Mayan prophecy, which coincides with many other Native American tribal beliefs, is that we will reach our peak of enlightenment and consciousness on December 21, 2012. "We may thus liken the evolution of consciousness to the climb of a cosmic pyramid that took its beginning already at the Big Bang 16 billion years ago. This climb is designed to take us to the ninth and highest level where a non-dualist perception of the world will be brought to us. ... By October 28, 2011 all of these Underworlds will be coming to their completion and so there is every reason to believe that the year 2012 will be a year when a new reality settles, a reality where the experience of linear time has come to an end and the consciousness altering cycles that are still today driving the evolution of human history will come to an end. " ~http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_3_1.htm If you want information on how the Mayan calendar actually was created, check this site out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Correlations_between_Western_calendars_and_the_Long_Count_calendar Basically, the year 2012 is the end of the 12th b'ak'tun, which is simply an interval of time for the Mayan calendar; every few b'ak'tuns represents a creation cycle. Once the 13th b'ak'tun starts (the end of 2012), it will represent an entire new creation cycle. This does NOT mean that everything will be *wiped out*; the cycle resetting is something that Mayans looked FORWARD to. ""For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."" ~http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm Think of it this way: The end of a b'ak'tun is like the end of a month or a season, and the end of a creation cycle is analogous to the end of a calendar year. After each calendar year, we make New Year's resolutions and *attempt* to work on our weaknesses and problems during the span of the next year. Similarly, the end of each creation cycle posits that we have been attempting to gain a deeper understanding of ourselves (i.e. working out our resolutions), and it's assumed that at the end of THIS cycle (2012), we will have actually reached enlightenment. No more New Year's resolutions are necessary! Here are very good references for those interested in learning more about the Mayan 2012 myth (besides the ones I've cited above): http://www.13moon.com/prophecy page.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_mythology http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_times_prophecy_12-21-2012.htm The (non-existent) Mayan destruction myth itself was probably a misinterpretation of the Mayan prophecy, coupled with the fact that some pretty cool astronomical phenomena might occur within a few years. And the fact that the Bible and other texts also prophesize an eventual cataclysm that will destroy everything. The Mayans did NOT prophesize a huge meteor crashing into Earth during the end of 2012, or anything like that. I don't believe that this prophecy will be fulfilled in the next four years (there is WAY too much ignorance and discrimination), but the more people know, the better.
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Man has no one seen Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory?? Its not the Mayans we need to worry about its the fucking Bilderburgs! The great cull is coming that will get rid of all the dead eaters!!!!! Population 500,000,000 ftw.
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On March 17 2011 01:13 proot wrote:
Isn't it possible, if the solar flare is large enough, for the ozone layer to be completely vaporized? That would basically end all life over the course of a week.
Err... My knowledge in chemistry is pretty limited, but i'm pretty sure ozone doesn't burn when struck by solar flares.
I mean, it's got a pretty short shelf life anyways, and is dependent on various phenomenon to create it.
One of those phenomenon is lightning, which burns so hot it fuses oxygen atoms together.
And while solar flares could be considered dangerous, I don't think they pose any threat tot he ozone layer, considering the earth gets hit with solar flares(albeit weak ones) several times a year.
also, this:
+ Show Spoiler +Examples of large solar flares The most powerful flare of the last 500 years was the first flare to be observed, on September 1, 1859, and was reported by British astronomer Richard Carrington. The event is named the Solar storm of 1859, or the "Carrington event". The flare was visible to a naked-eye, and produced stunning auroras down to tropical latitudes such as Cuba or Hawaii, and set telegraph systems on fire.[7] The flare left a trace in Greenland ice in the form of nitrates and beryllium-10, which allow its strength to be measured today (New Scientist, 2005). In modern times, the largest solar flare measured with instruments occurred on November 4, 2003 (initially measured at X28 and later upgraded to X45).[8][9] Other large solar flares also occurred on April 2, 2001 (X20), October 28, 2003 (X17), September 7, 2005 (X17) [10] and February 17, 2011 (X2).[11] [12] In 1989, during former solar cycle 22 two large flares occurred in March, 6 (X15) (see: March 1989 geomagnetic storm) and August, 16 (X20) causing disruptions in electric grids and computer systems.[13] A complete list is available at http://www.spaceweather.com/solarflares/topflares.html
the strongest solar flare EVER happened way back in the 19th century(it created an aurora in freaking Cuba and Hawaii, and you could see it without the aid of a satellite. that's pretty damn powerful in my eyes), and we're all still alive, right?
Don't know about you guys, but if something like that didn't burn the ozone layer away(which is also protected by the magnetic field btw), i'm pretty sure nothing will.
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I'm a sociology student currently studying all the stuff that is going wrong with society. That being said I do feel like 2012 will change the world as we know it. The thing that is funny to me about the prediction is that 2012 might be the year we hit the peak of world oil production. It could be argued that modern food production rates are based purely on use of petroleum products, so after 2012 food could continue to raise in cost. This could cause a famine that would be terrible beyond reckoning.
I also believe that we could mitigate our usage of petroleum products and maximize the use of more replenish-able sources of energy and transportation such that famine could be avoided. Of course, America would have to be at the forefront of that change, because to be honest, the American culture is wasteful of resources. I'm just glad I'm so pro at riding my bike. ^ ^
The best way to work through a problem of this nature would be to work together as nations to be more sustainable. 2 things I've seen that promote the most good interaction between international communities are college and e-sports. So being a college student who loves Starcraft makes me feel pretty good.
As for the world ending in a flash in 2012...I feel like it's the attitude of people who don't want to address real problems with real solutions. I wouldn't say I'm sure that it's accurate that we will hit oil production peak in 2012, I'm basing ideas of of the Hubbart curve and related reports. There are legitimate arguments that Hubbart's report is not completely accurate. Still, the world needs to become more sustainable, or we're all <expletive deleted>
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With all recent protests etc and then Japan, the world doesn't look like a good place as of now. This is changing the world as we know it and by the time 2012 arrives maybe even more has happened. In the end the world would have changed quite a lot and it'd be pretty cool if it was actually predicted such a long time ago, even if it may be a coincidence
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On March 18 2011 20:20 Latedi wrote:
With all recent protests etc and then Japan, the world doesn't look like a good place as of now. This is changing the world as we know it and by the time 2012 arrives maybe even more has happened. In the end the world would have changed quite a lot and it'd be pretty cool if it was actually predicted such a long time ago, even if it may be a coincidence
I was thinking about this to haha, I was like Earth Quake in ChristChurch... hm.... oh shit another earthquake in ChristChurch, OH WTF earthquake in Japan :O 2012 seems more and more legit!
But anyway, there is no way people can "predict" the end of the world. If the world does indeed end in 2012 then it was a fluke, but low and behold the person who "predicted" it will be classed as a hero (hypothetically since we would all be dead) because he made a lucky guess.
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Actually one way that the Mayans cold predict the end , is quite simple , seeing an outgoing comet , that has a tail above the ecpliptic and not below , basically you cant see it coming , but they watched it miss, and managed to calculate when it would strike , but this never seems to be one of the Myan theories ( the whole crazy Nib iru thing is kinda like this , but the comet version I just painted is much more a real threat ( we just had a near mis on valentines day , also the comet Elenin is crossing our orbit right around the mayans crazy ending date believe it or not , so yeah other than than or maybe a central plane alignment ( whch could be devastating , but that happened 3 million years ago , and wont happen until anoher 30 million , the central alignment we have in 2012 with the central plane is not the solar system eclipsing it but the earths processional cycle ( which many of the poeple seling books , or websites , are either with intention or out of ignorance conflating . Other than those two things , it would be pretty hard wthout a self-manefistation .
Btw the last cleansing process occording o the Mayan was water ( they were accurate ) this one is supposed to be ether , which I take as comsic rays , or gamma ray bursts if it was to be accurate .How they could know this alignment was going to happen ?
I could not tell you other than they viwed a supernova crossing on the oposite side of the galaxy and calaculated when we would cross its path .
The prolem with this is however , we are not only moving across the galactic plane , but up and down through it , which makes this type of calculation near impossible , even for the Mayan
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Here we go , does Nemesis = Nibiru ?
this is kinda weird ,
http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/news/we-cant-explain-it/442-nasa-seeking-nemesis
also the rates of decaying particles are changing , This is freaky beyond belief to me
http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the-sun-emitting-a-mystery-particle.html
This is not normal , the sun is emiiting a new paritcle is the best we can come up with to expain everything else going on with the sun the last few years ( strange suinspot cyles never observed , somne poeple claiming ultraviolet light is increasing , and the sun is shrinking as well as the procession speeding up {this also supports a binary system } ), could it be this particular group of nut-jobs got it right , and we are about to come to our closest point with our dark sun neighbor , and it is changing the magnetic cycle of our sun to something we have never seen ( not since the last ice age anyway ) causing earth-quakes , volcansim , possible axis shifting , CME'S , comets and metoreors hurling at us from the orrt cloud , all kids of shiat we dont like . All I know ; vocalnism and earthquakes are increasing dramatically , the polar caps are melting at an increased rate , Africa is splitting in two pieces , and much more going on with our planet .
With sedna ,Tiche , and nemesis being seriouisly looked at and for by thw W.I.S.E telescope , we may soon find out
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On April 09 2011 04:38 MrProphylactic wrote: Here we go , does Nemesis = Nibiru ? this is kinda weird , http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/news/we-cant-explain-it/442-nasa-seeking-nemesis also the rates of decaying particles are changing , This is freaky beyond belief to me http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the-sun-emitting-a-mystery-particle.html This is not normal , the sun is emiiting a new paritcle is the best we can come up with to expain everything else going on with the sun the last few years ( strange suinspot cyles never observed , somne poeple claiming ultraviolet light is increasing , and the sun is shrinking as well as the procession speeding up {this also supports a binary system } ), could it be this particular group of nut-jobs got it right , and we are about to come to our closest point with our dark sun neighbor , and it is changing the magnetic cycle of our sun to something we have never seen ( not since the last ice age anyway ) causing earth-quakes , volcansim , possible axis shifting , CME'S , comets and metoreors hurling at us from the orrt cloud , all kids of shiat we dont like . All I know ; vocalnism and earthquakes are increasing dramatically , the polar caps are melting at an increased rate , Africa is splitting in two pieces , and much more going on with our planet . With sedna ,Tiche , and nemesis being seriouisly looked at and for by thw W.I.S.E telescope , we may soon find out
That second article is over a year old. If something as amazing as the rates of decay changing was actually happening, and there wasn't some perfectly reasonable explanation, we'd have heard much more about it by now. This would absolutely rewrite so many different fields of science that if it were true, it would be all over the news.
On Topic:
So what if the B'ak'tun or whatever ends in 2012? Our calender ends every 365 days, and we don't think that will bring about the end of the world. The end of the Mayan calender doesn't mean anything more than the end of our calender.
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Its ridiculous people actually believe that. The mayans didnt even predict their own demise. To believe in this, you pretty much have to believe in magic that the mayans some how had special powers to see the future. *yawn*
I for one, am thinking of different ways i can capitalize on this mass stupidity/histeria and make a lot of money. Maybe sell bottled tap water in mass quantities or something. I cant wait for that date.
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I'm just waiting for 12-21-2012. I want to see the amount of morons that commit suicide as part of some stupid cult. Then I'll wake up in the morning and be fine, then proceed to laugh at the idiots.
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12-21-2012 im gonna make a huge post about how i hate the mods here at TL and how they are all nazi communist power hungry hate mongers. then im gonna commence spamming rick roll links in every thread i possibly can. THEN when they perma ban my account im gonna laugh maniacally when the MAYANS perma ban everyones earth account LOL Jokes on you guys TL MODS.
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On April 09 2011 06:24 Coagulation wrote:
12-21-2012 im gonna make a huge post about how i hate the mods here at TL and how they are all nazi communist power hungry hate mongers. then im gonna commence spamming rick roll links in every thread i possibly can. THEN when they perma ban my account im gonna laugh maniacally when the MAYANS perma ban everyones earth account LOL Jokes on you guys TL MODS.
12/20/12 mod will quote this and you will be pre-emptively temp banned for 2 days.
See you in 12/22/12?... oshi......
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Oh I better just stop all my work on my thesis then. Or I could point to the fact that i'm studying anthropology and say that everything about Mayans and a 2012 end of the world scenario is retarded. I'm all for throwing around fun little things like this because its fun to think about but the fact that people take this seriously makes me sad.
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If we all could have 1, just 1free rage at all in thread posts.... this would be mine.
I'm at my wits end with this BS, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2012 what is the difference? According to somebody the world will end every year. Lets go with track record evidence instead of spouting off conspiracy theories.
I do not get it... is all this just humans looking for an excuse to "let it all hang out?"
no excuse(s) needed there, just huge balls so whats with the story?
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