EPTEdit: and I pointed out in my reply that Rubio was not quite answering the question you think he was. And yea they still have missiles being worked on that's part of why thw conflict is still ongoing. I feel like this is another instance of people being intentionally dense.
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Introvert
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Edit: and I pointed out in my reply that Rubio was not quite answering the question you think he was. And yea they still have missiles being worked on that's part of why thw conflict is still ongoing. I feel like this is another instance of people being intentionally dense. | ||
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LightSpectra
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Introvert
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On November 14 2026 02:38 LightSpectra wrote: Since you have an aversion to being intentionally dense, how do you feel about Trump rewarding Russia giving intel to Iran that's used to kill Americans by helping them defeat Ukraine? Can I get a straight answer on that one? Trump views these conflicts separately as he always has. "Rewarding Russia" is stretching it but I think that he, as he always does, thinks saying nixe things about bad people helps him work with them. I think he should call people put more bur he's been this way since term one. It really isn't the most pressing part though this is you searching for some easy reason to dismiss the argument out of hand | ||
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Billyboy
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On November 13 2026 13:13 Introvert wrote: I believe Rubio when he says that the Iranian plan was to make themselves untouchable so they could finish their nuke research. They wanted so many missiles and with such range that they could threaten anywhere in the middle east and much of europe. That can't be allowed to happen. And indeed some months ago we saw them fire off some missiles that had a longer range than anything we'd yet seem from them. It was causing some alarm. As for finishing the job, I'd like to see how the blockade continues. It seems like conditions are continuing to deteriorate and now that there's at least some form of a land blockade it's going to get worse. The end goal would be to set their nuke program back by as much as possible and reduce their capabilities enough that Iran only needs the occasional lawn-mowing operation to undo any progress that has been made. It seems like your answer to both questions is purely faith based. You have faith that one of the many justifications this admin gave you is correct. And you have faith that when they say it’s done it really will be. I find that position crazy. I’m not sure how you can trust this admin given its long history of lying. But especially in this situation where when it started it was literally daily changes. I also can not see how you can have faith given how poorly executed it was. Or given that what you want accomplished was already done and done so much better with international support, and not of just America’s allies but also from Russia and China, before Trump threw it all away to hopefully get back to a worse spot, but with massive global economic consequences and an absolute shit ton of money spent. Which by the way, no more money spent on foreign wars was a pretty big talking point for the whole election cycle. It seems like you have to turn off all your critical thinking and just have faith in a man that is most famous for not telling the truth and not following through. | ||
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Also that the DSCC should stop taking AIPAC money + Show Spoiler + Full interview here: https://www.ms.now/the-briefing-with-jen-psaki/watch/ms-now-exclusive-van-hollen-will-take-on-schumer-to-lead-senate-democrats-full-video-2520598595621 | ||
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LightSpectra
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On November 14 2026 02:41 Introvert wrote: Trump views these conflicts separately as he always has. "Rewarding Russia" is stretching it but I think that he, as he always does, thinks saying nixe things about bad people helps him work with them. I think he should call people put more bur he's been this way since term one. It really isn't the most pressing part though this is you searching for some easy reason to dismiss the argument out of hand Well, that was a clear answer, I'll give you that. An abhorrent one since you think American lives are an acceptable cost for Trump to please Putin, but you didn't hide it. | ||
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Billyboy
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On November 14 2026 02:41 Introvert wrote: Trump views these conflicts separately as he always has. "Rewarding Russia" is stretching it but I think that he, as he always does, thinks saying nixe things about bad people helps him work with them. I think he should call people put more bur he's been this way since term one. It really isn't the most pressing part though this is you searching for some easy reason to dismiss the argument out of hand Saying that Trump views these conflicts as separate is just saying the quiet part out loud but somehow you not understanding it also. Geopolitics is clearly and obviously interconnected. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Jankisa
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Missile program is still a danger, numbers are going up and they are back at 70-80 % of the stockpiles and around the same with manufacturing capacities. The nuclear program is in the same state as after 2025 bombings, nothing substantial was done in order to further degrade it beyond that "total annihilation". The amount of oil reaching the markets doesn't matter if the price of it is 30-40 % higher then if the war never happened, things had to be adjusted, things are more expensive, world wide, that has real consequences and the reason is Iran controlling the strait, which USA is unable to prevent them from doing. Rubio answered one question which you don't want to comment on, immidiately after the start of the war, he blurted out the truth: “We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action,” he told reporters. “We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn’t preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.” So, Israel said "we are going", like they did many times before, but this time an imbecile was in charge so he said "we are going too". Hillary "the Hawk" Clinton had this to say about previous such occasions: According to Clinton, Israel repeatedly tried to pressure the Obama Administration into backing a similar action in Iran, but she didn’t take the bait. “They would say things like ‘Our planes are on the tarmac,’ ” Clinton recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, good luck. Great. Why are you doing this?’ This is not something I just heard from her, many Obama officials told similar stories. | ||
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Introvert
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On November 14 2026 02:43 LightSpectra wrote: Well, that was a clear answer, I'll give you that. An abhorrent one since you think American lives are an acceptable cost for Trump to please Putin, but you didn't hide it. Obviously not what I said but thanks for proving my point. On November 14 2026 02:42 Billyboy wrote: It seems like your answer to both questions is purely faith based. You have faith that one of the many justifications this admin gave you is correct. And you have faith that when they say it’s done it really will be. I find that position crazy. I’m not sure how you can trust this admin given its long history of lying. But especially in this situation where when it started it was literally daily changes. I also can not see how you can have faith given how poorly executed it was. Or given that what you want accomplished was already done and done so much better with international support, and not of just America’s allies but also from Russia and China, before Trump threw it all away to hopefully get back to a worse spot, but with massive global economic consequences and an absolute shit ton of money spent. Which by the way, no more money spent on foreign wars was a pretty big talking point for the whole election cycle. It seems like you have to turn off all your critical thinking and just have faith in a man that is most famous for not telling the truth and not following through. Not really, we know Iran is a bad actor trying to get nukes. We could see at the start of the way they sis indeed have a very large missile stockpile. There are lots of criticisms but that's not what I was asked about. Should Trump have been making the case to thr public before he started? Yes. Should he not have undertaken his silly trade war and pissed everyone off? Of course. Is letting Iran become the untouchable middle east porcupine bad? Also yes. On November 14 2026 02:49 Jankisa wrote: USA and Israel have achieved none of the stated goals, regime is there, stronger and more popular then before the war began. Missile program is still a danger, numbers are going up and they are back at 70-80 % of the stockpiles and around the same with manufacturing capacities. The nuclear program is in the same state as after 2025 bombings, nothing substantial was done in order to further degrade it beyond that "total annihilation". The amount of oil reaching the markets doesn't matter if the price of it is 30-40 % higher then if the war never happened, things had to be adjusted, things are more expensive, world wide, that has real consequences and the reason is Iran controlling the strait, which USA is unable to prevent them from doing. Rubio answered one question which you don't want to comment on, immidiately after the start of the war, he blurted out the truth: So, Israel said "we are going", like they did many times before, but this time an imbecile was in charge so he said "we are going too". Hillary "the Hawk" Clinton had this to say about previous such occasions: This is not something I just heard from her, many Obama officials told similar stories. I'm at work it's hard to pull timestamps and stuff but yes, Israel initiated the action at that time, but Trump was an Iran hawk and put many in his cabinet. Something was going to happen, but when? "Nothing was done" when things were done and are still being done is honestly funny. The difference is I'm willing to wait and see how it ends and not declare it already over lol. Criticism of the execution is all fair but the goal at least was very clearly a legitimate one. Anyway I gave you what I consider to be the criteria for success and things like regime change are not on the list. But we'll see how it goes! Declaring and end before there has been an end is, well... | ||
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Billyboy
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On November 14 2026 03:17 Introvert wrote: Obviously not what I said but thanks for proving my point. Not really, we know Iran is a bad actor trying to get nukes. We could see at the start of the way they sis indeed have a very large missile stockpile. There are lots of criticisms but that's not what I was asked about. Should Trump have been making the case to thr public before he started? Yes. Should he not have undertaken his silly trade war and pissed everyone off? Of course. Is letting Iran become the untouchable middle east porcupine bad? Also yes. I'm at work it's hard to pull timestamps and stuff but yes, Israel initiated the action at that time, but Trump was an Iran hawk and put many in his cabinet. Something was going to happen, but when? "Nothing was done" when things were done and are still being done is honestly funny. The difference is I'm willing to wait and see how it ends and not declare it already over lol. Criticism of the execution is all fair but the goal at least was very clearly a legitimate one. Anyway I gave you what I consider to be the criteria for success and things like regime change are not on the list. But we'll see how it goes! Declaring and end before there has been an end is, well... Like I said, lots of unearned faith in your part, and way worse than the situation before the deal he ended. Maybe you are right and in spite of all the mistakes, and the same people who made the mistakes, and lies, this time they are right and it all works out. But I think it’s extraordinarily unlikely that is the case. If it was that big of a threat they could have done it earlier with Iranian popular support, or waited until they had at least their own proper assets. They could have strangled Iran by not supporting their number one ally. They could have utilized the last 4 years to test and improve their drone tech and defence. And so on and so on. That they are doing everything right now seems impossible. | ||
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