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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7100 Posts
March 24 2025 22:30 GMT
#97501
Imagine being Hillary right now :D
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24645 Posts
March 24 2025 22:45 GMT
#97502
Where is my Signalgate!?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
March 24 2025 22:46 GMT
#97503
On March 25 2025 07:30 Luolis wrote:
Imagine being Hillary right now :D


Obama and Clinton and Biden and Harris were right about everything Trump-related. Always have been, always will be.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
March 24 2025 23:22 GMT
#97504
On March 25 2025 07:45 micronesia wrote:
Where is my Signalgate!?

Chuckie boy is too busy running cover for Isreal.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24814 Posts
March 24 2025 23:25 GMT
#97505
I found this quite interesting. From BBC coverage:
JD Vance was the highest-ranking Trump administration participant in the Signal text group that discussed detailed plans about the recent US military strike on Yemen.
While the vice-president has typically marched in lockstep with President Donald Trump in his public comments on foreign policy, in the private discussions he said that he thought the administration was making a “mistake” by taking military action.
He noted that the targeted Houthi forces posed a larger threat to European shipping, while the danger to American trade was minimal.“I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now,” Vance wrote, according to Atlantic Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg.


Well hey so long as it’s only European shipping that’s threatened, not like they’re allies or anything like that.

Not that I’m advocating, or otherwise on policy in this scenario, it’s something I know very little about. I just find the specific rationale of objection here kinda instructive.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23066 Posts
March 24 2025 23:30 GMT
#97506
On March 25 2025 07:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2025 07:30 Luolis wrote:
Imagine being Hillary right now :D


Obama and Clinton and Biden and Harris were right about everything Trump-related. Always have been, always will be.

LibHorizons: Except for the most important things; being the right people/having the correct politics to beat him.

Also Clinton's Pied Piper thing is a pretty big exception that also helped make Trump president.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13837 Posts
March 25 2025 00:34 GMT
#97507
As they say as the motto for his home town signalgate is really "As good as it sounds". Its very on brand for forest lake people, they keep trying to repair their town beach and spend real money every year to repair it even though it gets torn up by the melts every spring. It's a really nice beach area to be fair, just not the beach part.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany874 Posts
March 25 2025 09:27 GMT
#97508
What. A. Shitshow.

I don't even mind they are using signal to share information.. but

a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world..

b) Fuck the murderous sandpeople.. but my god, just killing them to do a show of force is so beyond cynical
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24645 Posts
March 25 2025 09:52 GMT
#97509
After getting caught red-handed, Hegseth and others are rudely denying it and instead verbally attacking the Atlantic. This is the state of politics in the USA. Insult everyone's intelligence, and probably get away with it.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
March 25 2025 10:10 GMT
#97510
On March 25 2025 18:52 micronesia wrote:
After getting caught red-handed, Hegseth and others are rudely denying it and instead verbally attacking the Atlantic. This is the state of politics in the USA. Insult everyone's intelligence, and probably get away with it.


I'm waiting for them to name-drop Hillary Clinton: But... but... but her e-mails!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9110 Posts
March 25 2025 10:45 GMT
#97511
On March 25 2025 18:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world..

This was confirmed every single time we've had communication leaks from key figures in that movement. For decades the US had a ton of propaganda aimed at plebs with messaging like that, and now it is being led by people that took it at face value.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9561 Posts
March 25 2025 10:52 GMT
#97512
America is in such a weird place right now.

If you were to listen to what the high ranking people in the administration are saying, they appear to be pro-Russia and anti-Europe.

However, they are still in alot of respects acting like allies of Europe and enemies of Russia.

Its going to be an interesting few years.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany874 Posts
March 25 2025 10:57 GMT
#97513
I don't want to live in interesting times :/

Chernobyl, Iraq, Balkans, DotCom, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, SubPrime Crisis,Fukushima, DebtCrisis, Ukraine, Trump, Covid, Ukraine... Trump

Yikes.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland381 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-25 11:37:50
March 25 2025 11:32 GMT
#97514
This should highlight even more that allies can't give the USA any intelligence, or it may be discussed in a group chat with journalists listening. I'm also sure that the guy who flexed on his friend in Discord with intelligence is having fun in his cell.

Hopefully, the next time WarThunder is in the news over leaking secrets, they will mention not using Signal or sharing actual war plans.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24814 Posts
March 25 2025 11:33 GMT
#97515
On March 25 2025 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2025 07:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 25 2025 07:30 Luolis wrote:
Imagine being Hillary right now :D


Obama and Clinton and Biden and Harris were right about everything Trump-related. Always have been, always will be.

LibHorizons: Except for the most important things; being the right people/having the correct politics to beat him.

Also Clinton's Pied Piper thing is a pretty big exception that also helped make Trump president.

What is the charge of this Pied Piper thing? It seems to read much like the various campaigns were somewhat blindsided by Trump at every new hurdle he cleared, and thought he’d be a lock to beat in a Presidential. Which, to be fair, most of us were thinking at the time.

“I admit to being suckered into every narrative that predicted Trump’s demise over and over,” said Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy, a Clinton ally. “I admittedly was a pretty consistent skeptic that they were ultimately going to nominate this buffoon, so I probably came to the realization that he was the nominee as late as anybody."

“I was in denial for a very long time,” added former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, the one-time presidential candidate and DNC chair. “I tell people I was wrong for 52 weeks in a row starting in June.”


That aside it seems a bit rich to simultaneously be digging up the failings of the 2016 campaign, and sidestepping awkward questions on 2024 with a ‘we have to move on folks, what are we doing now?’

I’ve no issues with either but be consistent on this at least.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
March 25 2025 11:55 GMT
#97516
On March 25 2025 18:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
What. A. Shitshow.

I don't even mind they are using signal to share information.. but

a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world..

b) Fuck the murderous sandpeople.. but my god, just killing them to do a show of force is so beyond cynical

You should. Using things like Signal will surely seep down into matters that should be acceptable targets for FOIA requests, but unless a journalist is sitting in the corner eating snacks at the party while taking screenshots, we'll never hear anything about it.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany874 Posts
March 25 2025 12:07 GMT
#97517
I know it's absolutely terrible incompetence and malicious attempt of dodging transperancy.

And yet to me that isn't even the worst thing of this "scandal".

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11442 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-25 13:23:08
March 25 2025 13:22 GMT
#97518
On March 25 2025 18:52 micronesia wrote:
After getting caught red-handed, Hegseth and others are rudely denying it and instead verbally attacking the Atlantic. This is the state of politics in the USA. Insult everyone's intelligence, and probably get away with it.


You skipped the point where before denying and verbally attacking, they already admitted that it was true.


Brian Hughes, the spokesman for the National Security Council, responded two hours later, confirming the veracity of the Signal group. “This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain,” Hughes wrote. “The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security.”


(From the Atlantic article)
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
769 Posts
March 25 2025 14:04 GMT
#97519
The worst part is it is going to work. No on is going to care about this anymore than they did about the 1000 other idiocy. The people with TGS are going to find a way to believe this is awesome and pwns the libs. And the smarter ones will convince themselves that it is still better than the alternative.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-25 16:02:38
March 25 2025 15:03 GMT
#97520
On March 25 2025 19:52 Jockmcplop wrote:
America is in such a weird place right now.

If you were to listen to what the high ranking people in the administration are saying, they appear to be pro-Russia and anti-Europe.

However, they are still in alot of respects acting like allies of Europe and enemies of Russia.

Its going to be an interesting few years.


You don‘t hear Putin complaining about US nazis like he did with Ukrainian ones.

The US needs the rest of the world turning fascist too or they‘ll have an image problem at home.

That‘s why they fund right wing extremists in Europe imo.

The morons who play along don‘t realize that it‘d make them into targets. It‘s literally the most antipatriotic thing they can do.

The Serbians turning into warmongering nationalists is a good example of how that would work out for the bomb dealers.

Trump‘s agenda is to bring discord into the European union.

Along with dark money and drugs, but that‘s just a theory of mine.
Of course he loves crypto.

He also paid the protection money to Boeing already with a contract.

As for brickhead, you don‘t need 9 bodyguards when you know you‘re not doing bad shit.
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