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Luolis
Finland7194 Posts
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micronesia
United States24799 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46407 Posts
On March 25 2025 07:30 Luolis wrote: Imagine being Hillary right now :D Obama and Clinton and Biden and Harris were right about everything Trump-related. Always have been, always will be. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 25 2025 07:45 micronesia wrote: Where is my Signalgate!? Chuckie boy is too busy running cover for Isreal. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27351 Posts
JD Vance was the highest-ranking Trump administration participant in the Signal text group that discussed detailed plans about the recent US military strike on Yemen. While the vice-president has typically marched in lockstep with President Donald Trump in his public comments on foreign policy, in the private discussions he said that he thought the administration was making a “mistake” by taking military action. He noted that the targeted Houthi forces posed a larger threat to European shipping, while the danger to American trade was minimal.“I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now,” Vance wrote, according to Atlantic Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg. Well hey so long as it’s only European shipping that’s threatened, not like they’re allies or anything like that. Not that I’m advocating, or otherwise on policy in this scenario, it’s something I know very little about. I just find the specific rationale of objection here kinda instructive. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24343 Posts
On March 25 2025 07:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Obama and Clinton and Biden and Harris were right about everything Trump-related. Always have been, always will be. LibHorizons: Except for the most important things; being the right people/having the correct politics to beat him. Also Clinton's Pied Piper thing is a pretty big exception that also helped make Trump president. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1194 Posts
I don't even mind they are using signal to share information.. but a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world.. b) Fuck the murderous sandpeople.. but my god, just killing them to do a show of force is so beyond cynical | ||
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micronesia
United States24799 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46407 Posts
On March 25 2025 18:52 micronesia wrote: After getting caught red-handed, Hegseth and others are rudely denying it and instead verbally attacking the Atlantic. This is the state of politics in the USA. Insult everyone's intelligence, and probably get away with it. I'm waiting for them to name-drop Hillary Clinton: But... but... but her e-mails! | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9245 Posts
On March 25 2025 18:27 KT_Elwood wrote: a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world.. This was confirmed every single time we've had communication leaks from key figures in that movement. For decades the US had a ton of propaganda aimed at plebs with messaging like that, and now it is being led by people that took it at face value. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
If you were to listen to what the high ranking people in the administration are saying, they appear to be pro-Russia and anti-Europe. However, they are still in alot of respects acting like allies of Europe and enemies of Russia. Its going to be an interesting few years. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1194 Posts
Chernobyl, Iraq, Balkans, DotCom, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, SubPrime Crisis,Fukushima, DebtCrisis, Ukraine, Trump, Covid, Ukraine... Trump Yikes. | ||
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Legan
Finland595 Posts
Hopefully, the next time WarThunder is in the news over leaking secrets, they will mention not using Signal or sharing actual war plans. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27351 Posts
On March 25 2025 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote: LibHorizons: Except for the most important things; being the right people/having the correct politics to beat him. Also Clinton's Pied Piper thing is a pretty big exception that also helped make Trump president. What is the charge of this Pied Piper thing? It seems to read much like the various campaigns were somewhat blindsided by Trump at every new hurdle he cleared, and thought he’d be a lock to beat in a Presidential. Which, to be fair, most of us were thinking at the time. “I admit to being suckered into every narrative that predicted Trump’s demise over and over,” said Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy, a Clinton ally. “I admittedly was a pretty consistent skeptic that they were ultimately going to nominate this buffoon, so I probably came to the realization that he was the nominee as late as anybody." “I was in denial for a very long time,” added former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, the one-time presidential candidate and DNC chair. “I tell people I was wrong for 52 weeks in a row starting in June.” That aside it seems a bit rich to simultaneously be digging up the failings of the 2016 campaign, and sidestepping awkward questions on 2024 with a ‘we have to move on folks, what are we doing now?’ I’ve no issues with either but be consistent on this at least. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 25 2025 18:27 KT_Elwood wrote: What. A. Shitshow. I don't even mind they are using signal to share information.. but a) they "akthualy" drink the kool-aid of how US protects the world... and not just their own interests into having unhindered market access to the richest industrialized countries in the world.. b) Fuck the murderous sandpeople.. but my god, just killing them to do a show of force is so beyond cynical You should. Using things like Signal will surely seep down into matters that should be acceptable targets for FOIA requests, but unless a journalist is sitting in the corner eating snacks at the party while taking screenshots, we'll never hear anything about it. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1194 Posts
And yet to me that isn't even the worst thing of this "scandal". | ||
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Simberto
Germany11978 Posts
On March 25 2025 18:52 micronesia wrote: After getting caught red-handed, Hegseth and others are rudely denying it and instead verbally attacking the Atlantic. This is the state of politics in the USA. Insult everyone's intelligence, and probably get away with it. You skipped the point where before denying and verbally attacking, they already admitted that it was true. Brian Hughes, the spokesman for the National Security Council, responded two hours later, confirming the veracity of the Signal group. “This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain,” Hughes wrote. “The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security.” (From the Atlantic article) | ||
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Billyboy
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Vivax
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On March 25 2025 19:52 Jockmcplop wrote: America is in such a weird place right now. If you were to listen to what the high ranking people in the administration are saying, they appear to be pro-Russia and anti-Europe. However, they are still in alot of respects acting like allies of Europe and enemies of Russia. Its going to be an interesting few years. You don‘t hear Putin complaining about US nazis like he did with Ukrainian ones. The US needs the rest of the world turning fascist too or they‘ll have an image problem at home. That‘s why they fund right wing extremists in Europe imo. The morons who play along don‘t realize that it‘d make them into targets. It‘s literally the most antipatriotic thing they can do. The Serbians turning into warmongering nationalists is a good example of how that would work out for the bomb dealers. Trump‘s agenda is to bring discord into the European union. Along with dark money and drugs, but that‘s just a theory of mine. Of course he loves crypto. He also paid the protection money to Boeing already with a contract. As for brickhead, you don‘t need 9 bodyguards when you know you‘re not doing bad shit. | ||
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