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Emnjay808
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Zambrah
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KwarK
United States41989 Posts
On November 20 2021 03:51 killa_robot wrote: I'm actually not sure how many levels of irony are on display here. Are people here actually convinced he was guilty? I was only following it because both the defence and prosecutors were hilariously inept and I kept getting clips, but there's literally video evidence of every single person who he shot being the aggressor. Did anyone here actually watch the trial? Even the prosecutors' witnesses admitted he was attempting to flee and was never the aggressor. Is the consensus here just "Well he shouldn't have been there so being attacked was expected"? He’s guilty as sin. He deliberately went there to kill. He said as much. He brought the gun he said he wanted to kill people with with him. Self defence isn’t an absolute defence. Context matters. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10600 Posts
On November 20 2021 04:45 KwarK wrote: He’s guilty as sin. He deliberately went there to kill. He said as much. He brought the gun he said he wanted to kill people with with him. Self defence isn’t an absolute defence. Context matters. Apparently not. | ||
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JimmiC
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killa_robot
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Taelshin
Canada415 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 20 2021 04:10 Emnjay808 wrote: No question he was acting in self defense. But he knowingly brought a gun into a trigger-sensitive situation. I think that’s what people want to convict him on. I’m on the fence in this one. He was so close to being back to the police cars but the rioters/protestors ran him down before he could get closer. I'm admittedly surprised they didn't give a guilty verdict for at least endangerment. My read on the case is that he did at least contribute to a shitty situation. | ||
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:20 Zambrah wrote: Man I hope people riot. The cool thing according to the far right is that since Kyle gets to walk he'll be free to shoot those rioters immediately! | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On November 20 2021 03:51 killa_robot wrote: I'm actually not sure how many levels of irony are on display here. Are people here actually convinced he was guilty? I was only following it because both the defence and prosecutors were hilariously inept and I kept getting clips, but there's literally video evidence of every single person who he shot being the aggressor. Did anyone here actually watch the trial? Even the prosecutors' witnesses admitted he was attempting to flee and was never the aggressor. Is the consensus here just "Well he shouldn't have been there so being attacked was expected"? Yeah pretty much. I’ve been interested in this case since watching it happen on livestream; it was a pretty crazy event to see unfold unprompted on my monitor. Since the beginning, it’s looked like self-defense to me. I would imagine that the vast majority of people who post here saw it as unlawful killing, though. I mean, he crossed state lines, is an incel with a gun, and wasn’t supporting antifa, so of course he’s guilty (and probably a white supremacist!) | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4692 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:20 Zambrah wrote: Man I hope people riot. And get shot by ARs ? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:25 NewSunshine wrote: The cool thing according to the far right is that since Kyle gets to walk he'll be free to shoot those rioters immediately! I saw one dude's take on twitter (masochism, I know) that after this verdict criminals will not longer be able to use riots as a chance to do violence. Funny, because this verdict means that criminals are now going to feel very able to use riots as an excuse to do violence, lol | ||
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
Rioters should bring their own ARs this time, though | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:35 JimmiC wrote: To all the Kyle fan boys. What good did he do? Like if he was not there what would have happened differently? If he was antifia I would say the same. This is why most countries in the developed world do not arm their citizens with high powered weapons to deal with protestors. Because only bad things can happen. Don’t know, I remember watching since about sundown and there were a whole lot of people popping off and more armed citizens (both antifa and otherwise) than I’d seen anywhere else during that summer of fun. Someone was probably going to get shot that night, that’s what my gut says anyway. Otherwise what would have happened? Mostly peaceful residential fires, I suppose. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:42 NrG.Bamboo wrote: Don’t know, I remember watching since about sundown and there were a whole lot of people popping off and more armed citizens (both antifa and otherwise) than I’d seen anywhere else during that summer of fun. Someone was probably going to get shot that night, that’s what my gut says anyway. Otherwise what would have happened? Mostly peaceful residential fires, I suppose. I, uh, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you... | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:16 JimmiC wrote: Yes, they are going to need AR's next time to make it more even. Do you realize that if Kyle had not came no one would be dead, he wouldn't have had this trial, so many families lives wouldn't have been ruined at the cost of maybe a dumpster getting set on fire? And if rioters hadn't rioted he never would have gone. And if that thing that happened hadn't happened rioters wouldn't have rioted. I really don't see your point. No one has argued going there was a good idea. Anyone at the riots is inherently showing poor judgement by, you know, being at a place with ongoing riots. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21364 Posts
On November 20 2021 05:01 killa_robot wrote: That just leads to the notion that they should have shot sooner.Did you guys really not watch the trial? Protestors did bring their own guns. Two of the guys he shot literally had their own pistols and pulled them on him before being shot. That can only turn out well in the future /s | ||
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