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JimmiC
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KwarK
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On July 29 2020 05:27 JimmiC wrote: I'm not sure why you are so angry. I was simply pointing out that in the form of Socialism we were discussing the reality is that ownership never gets passed to the people. If you had moved the goalposts away from TM socialism to a different kind it would be helpful if you communicated that instead of expecting me to read your mind. It would also be nice if stopped being a complete jerk to me, it would be nice if as long as you wore the hammer you at least followed the commandments. And I know you like revising history but I didn't bring up Stalin or the Gulag's that was you trying to strawman me. You brought up totalitarian despots in a Leninist state shipping their critics to re-education camps out of the blue in response to me suggesting that fish stocks needed to be collectively managed to avoid the tragedy of the commons. That’s why I said it was a ridiculous straw man. It was. I didn’t move the goalposts away from Stalin, they were never anything to do with Stalin until you, with your weird obsession with making everything about Stalin, decided to bring up the excesses of Soviet Russia in response to managing commons. This literally went You: Socialists bad at environment. Me: Collective ownership of the commons necessary for managing the environment. You: But re-education camps and murdering political opponents. Me: The excesses of Joseph Stalin are not a credible argument against the Clean Water Act. You: But history says it is. Me: No it doesn’t. You: Venezuela. | ||
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KwarK
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Additionally it appears that you’re unfamiliar with the term “dangerous negro” and why being labeled as such might not be an insult. While I may not be exceptionally well read on the subject there’s little evidence that you can even read. I’ll give you a hint to get you started, “dangerous negroes” and “white moderates” aren’t friends. If you like you can message GH and ask him to explain it for you. | ||
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Uldridge
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Also, please take this to PMs if you're thinking of keeping this pissing contest going. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Actual info : Barr stated that Trump did go to the bunker during the Lafeyette square incident. (I don't see the issue with him doing this - it makes him look ridiculous when he claims he didn't is the only issue). Main actual highlight was Barr saying it's not illegal to accept election interference from a foreign power. What people will probably remember is that it was something of a shitshow (Barr being denied breaks, Gym Jordan acting like normal for him, republicans yelling out random stuff). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24511 Posts
...the history of LM socialism since many consider Stalin the father of that ideology. Should be enough for anyone that has read anything (other than the The black book of communism I guess) about socialism to know to ignore his takes on it imo. EDIT: Random thank you to IgnE for getting me to stop using "of" when I mean "have" | ||
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meiji_emperor
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On July 29 2020 06:36 JimmiC wrote: The problem is that I'm not what you assume me to be and no matter how hard you try I won't be. The bigger problem is that you are a moderator who constantly breaks sites rules and now you are insulting me here and in PM. Please grow up and stop trying to bully it is not going to work no matter how insulting and nasty you get. You're a radlib who finds it more productive to disparage the accomplishments of actually existing socialism than to advocate for an alternative to liberalism and capitalism. Which btw, is leading us towards human extinction. You are an apologist for the status quo. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 29 2020 06:13 Nevuk wrote: Anyone watching the Barr hearings? They were a little absurd, from what I've read. Actual info : Barr stated that Trump did go to the bunker during the Lafeyette square incident. (I don't see the issue with him doing this - it makes him look ridiculous when he claims he didn't is the only issue). Main actual highlight was Barr saying it's not illegal to accept election interference from a foreign power. What people will probably remember is that it was something of a shitshow (Barr being denied breaks, Gym Jordan acting like normal for him, republicans yelling out random stuff). I watched roughly half of it live. Very funny. Tons of grandstanding on both sides. I would recommend watching the Democratic exchanges with Barr in their entirety. | ||
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Fleetfeet
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It doesn't do the thread much of any good and feels more like venting frustrations than anything else, but whatev. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 29 2020 06:44 Danglars wrote: I watched roughly half of it live. Very funny. Tons of grandstanding on both sides. I would recommend watching the Democratic exchanges with Barr in their entirety. It speaks volumes to how unskilled politically the democrats are in general that in the clips I've seen, they mostly looked petulant, whiny, and ineffective. They don't need to do anything other than lay out the issues, as their hand is strong enough with a lot of Barr's worst actions (asking prosecutors to step down, teargassing protestors, being involved in Stone's case for leniency). Instead we get them mulishly denying Barr a bathroom break and yelling at him for having no black people on his staff... | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 29 2020 07:40 Nevuk wrote: It speaks volumes to how unskilled politically the democrats are in general that in the clips I've seen, they mostly looked petulant, whiny, and ineffective. They don't need to do anything other than lay out the issues, as their hand is strong enough with a lot of Barr's worst actions (asking prosecutors to step down, teargassing protestors, being involved in Stone's case for leniency). Instead we get them mulishly denying Barr a bathroom break and yelling at him for having no black people on his staff... Then you should definitely listen to two exchanges on the tear gas issue. To the extent that Democrats have issues with Barr’s involvement in the other two, they sure didn’t show they mattered at all. And the two examples you cite weren’t even the worst ones, although Nadler’s initial refusal of a 5minute recess was overly petty. I think the memeable and short-recap articles do NOT do this hearing justice. The less acerbic, but very impactful, exchanges should be critically examined. Among these: Did Barr give a good response regarding I follow the Law, not your specific question of what I should do I'm a lawyer, not the man setting health and human services policy The state capital's mayoral building is the state's responsibility, and federal courthouses are my primary responsibility as it pertains to federal involvement in states Questioning my adherence to the constitution without allowing me a response to the charge is rude Upon burning of a guard station, it was decided that fencing should be advanced one street further out. Noncompliance of the protesters to retreat another block justified the use of pepper spray and pepper balls. My department's recommendation regarding (this and that) was adhered to, not departed from. People voting Democrat this November should watch every exchange so they know both sides of the sleaze in Washington DC. If you only know how bad Trump and Republicans are, you know very little, and I say this even if someone in good faith can look at both and conclude Democrats should be put in power in both houses. EDIT: Expanded on certain topics, which will matter to people that watch the hearing VOD in full. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24511 Posts
On July 29 2020 06:59 JimmiC wrote: Thank you for your perspective one of accounts with low posts very flattering. You would have to define radlib for me to comment. But I am a unapologetic social Democrat who thinks LM socialism in every form it has taken in the real world is terrible. I hold these "socialists" to a higher standard because their misdeeds. Lm socialism and democratic socialism are very different. I find it shocking that someone could be a fan of both. I'm not sure what is difficult about me being a fan of one and not the other. I think they are pretty dead-on myself. I know your repeated use of "LM socialism" instead of "ML socialism" is not intentional, but you know "Social democracy" and "Democratic Socialism" aren't interchangeable terms though right? | ||
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