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Come on are you trolling him?
Your initial point: I am shocked that despite all growing up in America, Asian-Americans retain historical prejudices from their ancestral homelands
His point: His assistance does not support your statement because he is not an Asian-American
Your point: It is possible to be a white person and hold the citizenship of an Asian state. And then the edited in sentence suggests that the first sentence implies some kind of negative judgment of coverpunch's argument
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Look, in Asia they had 1 or 2 wars, small wars. In Europe we had 200 fucking wars, including all the biggest wars the medieval world has ever seen, including 2 big ones fairly recently..
Germany fighting it out with France or the Netherlands or the UK, it doesn't even come up. But when I take to the internet where there are Asian-Americans, they are always debating China vs Korea vs Japan and the politicians always offend each other.
I don't know what Islam has to do with all this. Not like Korea or Japan took up a lot of Syrian refugees the last couple of years...
On January 02 2015 17:05 Sub40APM wrote:
Come on are you trolling him?
Your initial point: I am shocked that despite all growing up in America, Asian-Americans retain historical prejudices from their ancestral homelands
His point: His assistance does not support your statement because he is not an Asian-American
Your point: It is possible to be a white person and hold the citizenship of an Asian state. And then the edited in sentence suggests that the first sentence implies some kind of negative judgment of coverpunch's argument
I still think he is hating on Japan just because he is Korean/his parents are Korean, or maybe Chinese. The American part is just a guess because I have to admit that Caucasian Koreans are pretty rare.
By the way, he might also be lying. I know! People do that sometimes. Especially when trolling like this guy.
Anyway, saying he can't be Korean or Chinese because he is Caucasian is racist. That's like saying you can't be an American because you are black.
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On January 02 2015 17:12 Alcathous wrote:Look, in Asia they had 1 or 2 wars, small wars. In Europe we had 200 fucking wars, including all the biggest wars the medieval world has ever seen, including 2 big ones fairly recently.. Germany fighting it out with France or the Netherlands or the UK, it doesn't even come up. But when I take to the internet where there are Asian-Americans, they are always debating China vs Korea vs Japan and the politicians always offend each other. I don't know what Islam has to do with all this. Not like Korea or Japan took up a lot of Syrian refugees the last couple of years... Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 17:05 Sub40APM wrote:
Come on are you trolling him?
Your initial point: I am shocked that despite all growing up in America, Asian-Americans retain historical prejudices from their ancestral homelands
His point: His assistance does not support your statement because he is not an Asian-American
Your point: It is possible to be a white person and hold the citizenship of an Asian state. And then the edited in sentence suggests that the first sentence implies some kind of negative judgment of coverpunch's argument I still think he is hating on Japan just because he is Korean/his parents are Korean, or maybe Chinese. The American part is just a guess because I have to admit that Caucasian Koreans are pretty rare. By the way, he might also be lying. I know! People do that sometimes. Especially when trolling like this guy. Anyway, saying he can't be Korean or Chinese because he is Caucasian is racist. That's like saying you can't be an American because you are black.
I agree with you that he might be lying, but I think he would have said if he were white but Korean. His OP in that post seems to clearly indicate that he's a white guy from America because he went to Asia on a tour. I don't know what you're going on with the rest of this nonsense except being stubborn to stick to an original narrative that was pretty dumb.
In my experience, Jews are quite distinct about bringing up the Holocaust as a defining part of their history. That is the kind of thing where it strikes me as offensively dismissive to tell them to just get over it and to "not bring it up". And on Top Gear at least, they bring up the war (usually as a joke) every couple years or so when they talk about or go to Germany in any depth. The last couple seasons of Downton Abbey have had its context defined by Britain's reaction to the Great War and the rise of Nazism (which to be fair, its historical context makes it unavoidable).
But it's a dumb thing to say because AutoEngineer has not brought up the war in either of his two OPs. He quite clearly has a grudge against Japan and mostly very negative things to say about Japanese culture and policies, but he isn't trying to provoke a debate about Japan's wartime atrocities.
EDIT: But I do have to ask, since you seem European and possibly German. Since this is the century anniversary of the start of World War I, did Germany do anything to commemorate it? For instance, Britain had the astonishing exhibit at the Tower of London with a red poppy representing every British death in the war, and a stark reminder that ~900,000 is a fucking lot of young men to send off to die. And Britain actually had among the fewest deaths of the major participants of the war!
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I get kinda annoyed when white people feel the need to get angry at Japan on behalf of the rest of Asia... Like guys, most of us got occupied by Japan and had all kinds of shit done to us. Most of us have moved on. China and Korea are the exceptions. The rest of us actually benefitted a lot from Japanese investment.
Anyway for the OP I have long stopped taking auto engineers views on Japan seriously.
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On January 02 2015 17:30 coverpunch wrote:
EDIT: But I do have to ask, since you seem European and possibly German. Since this is the century anniversary of the start of World War I, did Germany do anything to commemorate it? For instance, Britain had the astonishing exhibit at the Tower of London with a red poppy representing every British death in the war, and a stark reminder that ~900,000 is a fucking lot of young men to send off to die. And Britain actually had among the fewest deaths of the major participants of the war!
compared to WW2 there is a lot less focus on WW1 in germany. For example on november 11th if I remember correctly in britain it's some kind of WW1 memorial day. In germany that day marks the beginning of the carneval season.
I am fairly sure that there was memorial stuff done in 2014 here about WW1 but nothing really that fancy, most likely some exhibitions and stuff like that.
You have to see it this way, for Britain WW1 might have been a great victory, but for most germans WW1 marks the end of an era of our history and the beginning of one of our darkest chapters. So you will never see any celebrations here about the end of that war, quiet remembrances yes, but no celebrations.
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On January 02 2015 17:12 Alcathous wrote:Look, in Asia they had 1 or 2 wars, small wars. In Europe we had 200 fucking wars, including all the biggest wars the medieval world has ever seen, including 2 big ones fairly recently.. Germany fighting it out with France or the Netherlands or the UK, it doesn't even come up. But when I take to the internet where there are Asian-Americans, they are always debating China vs Korea vs Japan and the politicians always offend each other. I don't know what Islam has to do with all this. Not like Korea or Japan took up a lot of Syrian refugees the last couple of years... Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 17:05 Sub40APM wrote:
Come on are you trolling him?
Your initial point: I am shocked that despite all growing up in America, Asian-Americans retain historical prejudices from their ancestral homelands
His point: His assistance does not support your statement because he is not an Asian-American
Your point: It is possible to be a white person and hold the citizenship of an Asian state. And then the edited in sentence suggests that the first sentence implies some kind of negative judgment of coverpunch's argument I still think he is hating on Japan just because he is Korean/his parents are Korean, or maybe Chinese. The American part is just a guess because I have to admit that Caucasian Koreans are pretty rare. By the way, he might also be lying. I know! People do that sometimes. Especially when trolling like this guy. Anyway, saying he can't be Korean or Chinese because he is Caucasian is racist. That's like saying you can't be an American because you are black.
He specifically said that that OP was white instead of Asian, not Korean/Chinese/Japanese. Asian in this case being a comparable term to black/white/hispanic/etc. It's more like saying you can't be white because you're black (unless you're mixed but that isn't the case here as far as I can tell).
So not only are you being incredibly pedantic, you're also 100% wrong.
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what is this even about now. the fuck
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On January 02 2015 17:12 Alcathous wrote:.
Anyway, saying he can't be Korean or Chinese because he is Caucasian is racist. That's like saying you can't be an American because you are black.
well there is a huge difference between the two if you look at probabilities. Being Caucasian and Korean or Chinese is so rare (like 1 out of 1000 I would suggest) you can actually call people out on that, granted you have reasons to believe they are lying. Being a black American is not unlikely at all.
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It appears that European education didn't help your reading comprehension.
On January 03 2015 02:21 oneofthem wrote:
what is this even about now. the fuck
Caucasian naturalized Japanese, apparently. Not sure what else to say other than they're elusive unicorns for a reason. Same can be said for China and S.Korea however, and it's probably debatable which nation is more "hostile", so to speak, to foreign naturalization, Japan or China.
If we're actually discussing why Japan is still peculiarly ostracized in China and S. Korea despite close economic ties, (Japan has been one of the largest investors in China for instance, and during Tiananmen was among the few "Western" nation not to boycott their investments), it can be attributed to a series of issues, but primarily
1) political nationalism; both South Korean and modern Chinese national identity was shaped drastically by WWII, and governments, especially in China, play on that (eg, the disputes ). Could also be argued that China and South Korea suffered "more" under Japanese militarist expansion than did the rest of Asia.
2) the Japanese revisionist movement (which is something uniquely controversial and instigating); the fact that Abe himself lead the "Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform" and has been involved in other parts of the nationalist movement that denies Japanese WWII war crimes, from Nanking to comfort women, is something that Chinese and Koreans are acutely aware of. It's a very interesting struggle in Japanese society, but the ongoing attempts to whitewash history is something which is particularly provoking. It would be much like having a Holocaust denier as Chancellor of Germany.
This didn't quite happen in Germany, despite the initial "whitewashing" of denazification, as a result of the Auschwitz Trials in the 60s in West Germany and the large effect it would have on subsequent discourse (the East German identity was largely based on being anti-Nazi, of whom West Germany was perceived to be comprised of).
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Ehm... why all the race talk, guys?
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On January 03 2015 06:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
Ehm... why all the race talk, guys?
I was just wondering this myself, but blame Sub40APM since he accused AutoEngineer of thinking of Koreans as a master race, or at least superior to the Japanese.
It's not a totally unfair criticism since AutoEngineer does seem to compare the two countries pretty often and always concludes with an opinion that is very negative about Japan and positive about Korea.
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On January 03 2015 06:16 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
Ehm... why all the race talk, guys? I was just wondering this myself, but blame Sub40APM since he accused AutoEngineer of thinking of Koreans as a master race, or at least superior to the Japanese. It's not a totally unfair criticism since AutoEngineer does seem to compare the two countries pretty often and always concludes with an opinion that is very negative about Japan and positive about Korea.
Not to mention his predictions that Korea will soon own the entire planet because north korea has plenty of dilithium and south korea has the capability to mine it or some shit like that.
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On January 03 2015 04:45 Lord Tolkien wrote:It appears that European education didn't help your reading comprehension. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 02:21 oneofthem wrote:
what is this even about now. the fuck Caucasian naturalized Japanese, apparently. Not sure what else to say other than they're elusive unicorns for a reason. Same can be said for China and S.Korea however, and it's probably debatable which nation is more "hostile", so to speak, to foreign naturalization, Japan or China. If we're actually discussing why Japan is still peculiarly ostracized in China and S. Korea despite close economic ties, (Japan has been one of the largest investors in China for instance, and during Tiananmen was among the few "Western" nation not to boycott their investments), it can be attributed to a series of issues, but primarily 1) political nationalism; both South Korean and modern Chinese national identity was shaped drastically by WWII, and governments, especially in China, play on that (eg, the disputes ). Could also be argued that China and South Korea suffered "more" under Japanese militarist expansion than did the rest of Asia. 2) the Japanese revisionist movement (which is something uniquely controversial and instigating); the fact that Abe himself lead the "Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform" and has been involved in other parts of the nationalist movement that denies Japanese WWII war crimes, from Nanking to comfort women, is something that Chinese and Koreans are acutely aware of. It's a very interesting struggle in Japanese society, but the ongoing attempts to whitewash history is something which is particularly provoking. It would be much like having a Holocaust denier as Chancellor of Germany. This didn't quite happen in Germany, despite the initial "whitewashing" of denazification, as a result of the Auschwitz Trials in the 60s in West Germany and the large effect it would have on subsequent discourse (the East German identity was largely based on being anti-Nazi, of whom West Germany was perceived to be comprised of).
I don't want to get too deep into this and derail the thread too much, but I disagree with the characterization of the Japanese as whitewashers or not remorseful of the war while Germany is the model of remorse. Admittedly, Japanese politicians are much more tone-deaf about dealing with the war, and they never seem to understand that arguing that Japanese also suffered during and after the war doesn't make their crimes any less heinous or wrong, and unfortunately it does seem to belie an existing attitude that they think Japan's only real mistake of the war was losing.
But, what I think makes Japanese defensiveness is the common idea that Japanese war crimes were a natural extension of Japanese culture, that there's something inherently militaristic and sadistic about the Japanese national character. Germans also become similarly defensive when people make such an argument, notably Fritz Fischer, who was reviled and his publisher's office fire-bombed in the 60s when he wrote books claiming the militarism leading to World War I and Nazism emerged as natural extensions of Germanic culture, in continuity rather than as aberrations of German history.
tl;dr people don't like it when you say their culture is bad.
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Canada11349 Posts
This was wildly derailed, but when we thought about it, we didn't really want to see it back on topic either. If it is important to discuss the Japanese economy, then someone can make a new thread, if their name is not AutoEngineer.
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