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Chibi[OWNS]
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zertaul993
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worst_player
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Okay. There are certain cough medicines you need to avoid (e.g. CCC). You just want dextromethorphan, no other active ingredients. Other ingredients will (a) make you sick, or (b) put you in a fatal state (possible coma or death). Now, 1/3 of the people who try it hate it, another 1/3 don't feel much from it, and 1/3 love it. You'll know which group you'll fall in. Check out the site, read up on the details (always research before drug use), and then decide for yourself what you want to do. For myself, I've done it 2 times. It tasted like shit both times. The first time I was on a first plateu, meaning I was feeling different, a little heavier and more giggly, but nothing much. The second time I hit a strong 2nd plateu. I tripped hard, I was feeling great at first, but "i took too much, too much," and felt like shit for 2 hours. Vomitted some nasty black stuff (wonder what that was), was very pale, bad headache, etc. Needless to say that was the last time I tried it. Also, if you're taking any meds, especially SSRIs, stay clear of this stuff. So, happy tripping if you plan on doing it. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27180 Posts
Huffing solvents is alright if you dont mind your brain dripping out your nose. | ||
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boongee
United States967 Posts
wouldn't that, like... burn a hole in your stomach? | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
1 thing i'd say about it, for starts. it effects you a lot longer afterwards. it's not a casual drug. unless ur wiling to embrace being emotionally number for 6 months after, its not for u. it probably is also a bad cardio risk cuz of the blood pressure, heart rate type thing, which lasts longer than the trip, which is already long. no one seems to have had probs iwth this yet, but then again how much data do we have on how long these people ultimately live, who do this drug a lot. if stimulants take years off ur life, i have to wonder... most important thing about dxm (syrups etc.) is knowing that if u OD on other substances, u will die. some syrups have tylenol (acetemetophin or whatever, or paraceleol in GB i think). which would kill you. u never ever , even if ur willing to risk dxm, should consume something with other active ingredients. like nyquil has doxy in it. robitussin cough and cold has sudafed in it (pseudoephedrine). coricidens (a certain kind) have some other ingredient in it. any of these are bad, u dont want any dxm product that contains other actives. its just bad. some are really really toxic in the amount u would need in order to get enough dxm. some greatly increase the blood pressure and whatnot, added effect to dxm already doing that. or heart rate. just to name the most important things i can think of. and this isnt like "durr my brain hurts" toxic, i mean like liver failure toxic. that's what OD of tylenol risks. and its not a good way to die, if ur thinking that. ull probably survive after going thru hell in the hospital and probably ull suck for the rest of ur life. dunno. so products whose only main incredient is dxm (dextromethorphan hydrobromide) are the products most ppl abuse, although some, however ignorantly, get by with products that have other actives that are risky but not as consistently deadly. the coricidien thing i talked about is bad, not worth it. some ppl like the pseudoephedrine with their dxm. but its added risk, which is dumb. seriously. dxm also seems to seriously deplete seratonin or something. if u are on any other drugs that effect this, like antidepressants, u risk seratonin syndrome, which could like, break down ur muscles and clog something and then some organ breaks, i forget which one. that would suck. oh yeah and of course if ur on MAOI's it kills u. there's rumors that combining dxm and ecstasy kills u. since they both fuck with ur body temperature, its ability to cool maybe, heart rate, blood pressure, sounds really dumb to combine them. dxm and alcohol combined both do the same effect that fucks up ur memory. ppl freuqnetly have the blackout where they cant remember with that combination, and get even fucking sicker. i think no to this, other than maybe 1 shot to increase absorbtion at the start. ppl also use PEG (propylene glycol i believe) to increase absorbtion instead. its an inactive ingredient in a lot of things. so u take 1 pill that has PEG in it , and that's that. i hear its harder to get good DXM in GB. in the US theres been newer products recently that seem really convenient compared to syrup, but they probably are behind the counter now. syrup did the trick for me. i highly reccommend paying for the name brand if you are going to use cough syrup. the generics for whatever reason are way more nausiating in the long run. nausia gets worse the more times uve done it, ur body learns to dislike it. and bodies seem to dislike the generics more than the name brand robitussin. so, thats just some random shit. as for the south park episode. imo dxm really has two different ranges of significant effects. the first is called the "2nd plateau," which isn't epitomized at all by hallucinations but rather a huge, beautiful mood, infinite effort, a kind of numbness to pain, making things require no effort, ur body moves too easily, ur mind connects to everything it can.. nothing stopping u from getting the most positive thing from everything. kinda cloudy. imo "1st plateaU" is just weaker dose of this. time seems to go by much slower, in a very good way. using ur body is pleasurable (keyboarding, dancing, standing, walking). u walk in a weird way because of this different control over ur body and relation to effort and whatnot. there is a slight danger u might overexert urself and this combined with the blood pressure and whatnot could be bad. simply try to exercise restraint, cuz if u just let urself go u will be doing things u normally dont do when u let urself go. u can really really exert maximum effort over and over and over with no care if you decide to but i would expect u to have a heart attack. not that this is usually a prob. just dont do it. music is really fucking important to define the whole trip. which is typically first hour is nausia, then u have approx 2 hours rising, 1 hour peak, 2 hours back down. the peak is the max of the effect. so if u take a certai ndose u might only get into "3rd plateau' range for the middle of the peak. it seems pretty linear. u probably have "delusions" in this state, but sometimes they are right on. what u have is passion, happy passion, and ur mind can rationalize it. language is different. all good stuff imo. ive gone to the movies and saw 2 diff movies and talked to random ppl on 2nd plateau. when u look in the mirror u might think ur face is red but no one else can see it. some ppl say the same thing about alcohol. you might loook clammy and dead to yourself in the mirror too. a fucking meat puppet. if u close ur eyes, or are in a dark room, u kind of almost "see" or imagine diff things, like u do normally but u are more aware of it, open to it, ur mind is not stopping it like usual, u can really just let it flo. but as the dose increases u ultimately hit a breaking point where things just turn over, called "3rd plateau" and "4th plateau" where ur mind just breaks down, whatever pleasurable attributes u coulda been having aren't so important because ur mind seems to not be working right at all, u cant put things together, you cant even put together the info from both ur eyes, u probably have a nrevous breakdown, u just lay there, moving at all, is weird. time is fucked. as this effect increases u might see more out of body type experiences, seeing urself from a 3rd pov, and ultimately u might start kind of dreaming and "see"/talk whatever to "aliens" or "gods" whatever. this is what ppl always want to jump into. i think that is a total waste. the 2nd plateau can be just as enlightening. if it can't enlighten you then u shouldnt jump to what sounds most novel but u should instead have nervous breakdowns until the 2nd plateau flows to you. the plateaus, for most ppl, fit a mg/kg ratio quite nicely. i forget what those are. but some people lack the enzymes to make dxm work right in their body, so basically u should approach it with utmost caution, starting low and safe, see how u feel, wait a week before trying it again at least. u will need the night to recover. many times after a trip u cannot get to sleep. but the next day you are fine, once you get there. u will be left with a body that feels too warm, uncomfortable in it. some ppl love the "afterglow" actually. hm. so what im saying is, about the south park episode, dont expect to actually see weird cool shit. ur mind, ur self, ur person might become cool shit and the world might be cool shit, but that's all. now for the reviews, remember these should be the kinds that only have one active ingredient, dextromethorphan hbr. robitussin cough max (not cough and cold! that has other active). comes in 8oz and 4oz varieties. for a 200 lb person 8oz will take u to the 3rd plateau. anything less are varying degreez of the 2nd plateau, which are best eased into. err on the side of a too low 2nd plateau rather than too high. cvs cough max or whatever. much cheaper, but... made me hate syrup more. wish i never switched. robitussin cough gels. or the generic equivelents (target makes some for sure). these little tiny red things, i think a whole bottle of them (which is not many pills) is 300 mg. 15mg each. 300mg is a decent 2nd plateau for me. not quite enough for my taste, but could be too much to start with still. u must be sure u arent sensitive/allergic to dxm before taking any kind of trip dose... and if u have a heart defect u probably die. or are on other medicines. dexalone. these are horse pill sized fuckers that have 30mg each. i ate a bunch of these once and it was aite. pretty "clean" trip if you ask me. they are overpriced tho. zicam cough nite -- zicam makes a lot of sprays and shit. there used to be one called this, which was just dxm in it (nothing else!). cough nite had the most dose, most concentrated. this shit is potent! 1 of these is too much for me to be in public. there are 2 other things like that now, same company, but less potent than the cough nite. i think they are called cough and cough extra or something. anyways. the bottle is so small u cant drink from it, it would getu sick, but u can fit its entire contents into a shot glass and down it. burns a little, not as bad as 151 though. if u start with this i would say take less than a quarter of the bottle's contents. some ppl find this the most repulsive, others the easiest. this turns out being as expensive as dexalones too, theoretically. it's debatable how much dxm u really get this way. it absorbs faster so you peak higher than u would.. hm. that's pretty much all my experience, vague in some parts. when i did it, starting out, i woudl use robitussin cough maxs little shot cup, would try taking like 1 shot. next week, tried 2, etc. i would plan ahead cuz i was scared of "bad trips" (i read about acid a lot since there wasnt much dxm-specific advice on the dangers of psychedelia itself), so i always had like, a cd player, headphones, good music, which is soo important imo. and ull just find shit to do. youll hopefully find that so many people around you are a lot better than you realized. or you might find that they're all shit and that everything around you for miles is a shithole. i never had that happen till like 5 years later. luck or what. u have to realize how serious it is tho. u might start dying, u might think ur dying, u could have a pnaic attack, a heart attack, an allergic reaction, organ failure if you fuck up or just get plain unlucky. if u want to survive those things u have to be ready. u also could run into the wrong ppl, get arrested, break stuff, black out and do crazy shit and not realize it. def u need a trip sitter for anything approaching 3rd plateau and above if u want to consider urself responsible at all. some ppls consciousnesses are constructed in diff ways. u could ruin yours, or other ppls. i think personally that the experience is really important, but most ppl i know who did this, well maybe half, are still douches, just more nihilistic, or delusional, or even more in denial than ever. so its not the same for everyone... its really the only drug ive ever done that has been significant to me. everything ive done since then seems trivial. it is a HARD drug in that sense. no amount of alcohol is anything to me compared to dxm. sure, alcohol might make me clumbsier, sicker, sllur my words, forget things, but i still am thinking that whole time "this is so weak, so not worth it" compared to dxm. but dxm is annoying after the trip wears off and i cant get to sleep and i feel slightly, well, disphoric, and ur mind feels slightly broken, maybe for days, and ur moods might be different for weeks, or the rest of your life, not to mention ur thoughts.. | ||
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/heraklitus/stimey1.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/heraklitus/stimey2.jpg) this was still years ago to me, but at the time, it was a moment, which is nice. many great moments that probably don't happen in the average sober life. whether or not that is good or bad is up to you. and i did read the dxm faq, which has the plateau definitions that worked so well, as well as all the warnings i gave. i read it several times before ever trying dxm. i read it years before i tried dxm. it is like 8 years old now, too. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/ also short and handy http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/ anyways imo dxm is not "lower tier" at all. it makes life seem lower tier. made weed seem soo lower tier. and alcohol. acid too. ketamine isnt as good. pcp probably isnt as good either, its similar but probably not as good, more potentially violent and toxic, but that could be because pcp can be smoked. u cant smoke dxm, but if u had it absorb really quickly like smoking, snorting, injecting (none of which u should try to do with dxm), it might be just as "bad" as pcp, to be fair. in theory it can be injected if u know what to mix it with and stuff and have pure form? like if ur some kind of doctor slash chemist. and if u try to snort it, it will burn soo bad lol. god. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
man i'm so verbose today. :/ this might be moot anyways, GB products are totally diff and sucky. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
On November 18 2005 23:55 Chobohobo wrote: dont drink fucking cough syrup to get high i agree. it's too complicated for just "getting high" | ||
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CloudTime
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
On November 19 2005 00:24 CloudTime wrote: DXM is great, though too many people think that coriciden is dangerous when it's really not when you KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I have done it a few hundred times and it works great. http://www.coricidin.org/ That may be true, but a LOT more people seem to fuck up with coriciden than DXM by itself. it's just lazy and ignorant to subject yourself to increased risk, a whole extra class of drugs that is much more dangerous than dxm, that interferes with the way dxm works, whose effects, which are amplifed by dxm, work by a toxic mechanism... that is the extra ingredient in coriciden. seriously how many ppl have murdered ppl on non coriciden dxm? the prob with cor also is its halflife is longer than ppl realize. if u do a rreasonable dose of it every few days or whatever the other ingredient will build up inside you to dangerous, horrible levels. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
You inhale it. Its a component that some deodorants have. Anyone here has tryed it? Ps:5 am and i am drunk, im sorry if i wrote something wrong ^_^ | ||
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NewYorkHardCore
Sweden126 Posts
I have done marijuana and amphetamine. Thats it. pot is good as u all know, amphetamine rocks. But don't do it. It's NOT worth it. GOod luck with your drug experiments (english ppl....) oOOooOOoOooOoOoooOOo | ||
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CloudTime
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On November 19 2005 00:32 mitsy wrote: http://www.coricidin.org/ That may be true, but a LOT more people seem to fuck up with coriciden than DXM by itself. it's just lazy and ignorant to subject yourself to increased risk, a whole extra class of drugs that is much more dangerous than dxm, that interferes with the way dxm works, whose effects, which are amplifed by dxm, work by a toxic mechanism... that is the extra ingredient in coriciden. seriously how many ppl have murdered ppl on non coriciden dxm? the prob with cor also is its halflife is longer than ppl realize. if u do a rreasonable dose of it every few days or whatever the other ingredient will build up inside you to dangerous, horrible levels. I totally agree, and that is the reason why Coricidin has the bad rap that it does today. The extra ingredient in it is called "CMP", its an antihistamine, and most people simply dont take it into account when factoring how many pills to take. It's just irresponsibility and can happen with any drug. | ||
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CloudTime
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