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Suisen
256 Posts
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/201112108493783540.html He thinks the alternative history fringe Jewish groups propose, contrary to all evidence, is the truth. He just denies the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by claiming it was all 'invented' afterwards. Wonder if he will be forced to pull out over this.. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:25 Suisen wrote: Gingrich just tripped up too. Foreign policy blunder similar to those of Bachmann on Iran embassy and Cain on Libya. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/201112108493783540.html He thinks the alternative history fringe Jewish groups propose, contrary to all evidence, is the truth. He just denies the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by claiming it was all 'invented' afterwards. Wonder if he will be forced to pull out over this.. Don't believe what he says. Gingrich, unlike Bachmann, Cain, or Perry, has been around for a long time and has a very good understanding of the issues. He's also a very seasoned politician and knows when he needs to lie and when he should tell the truth. I have no doubt he understands the actual facts of the situation well and is just saying stupid things to pander. In short, he's playing politics and you can't believe what he says. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:29 hmunkey wrote: Don't believe what he says. Gingrich, unlike Bachmann, Cain, or Perry, has been around for a long time and has a very good understanding of the issues. He's also a very seasoned politician and knows when he needs to lie and when he should tell the truth. I have no doubt he understands the actual facts of the situation well and is just saying stupid things to pander. In short, he's playing politics and you can't believe what he says. He also has the charisma of a bag of sand and has no shot in a general, just due to his negatives among dems, independents and even republicans. This is shaping up to be a brokered convention, could be very exiting. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:31 Derez wrote: He has low negatives in republican polls and won the independent vote over obama in a ramussen poll a week ago, but okie dokie...He also has the charisma of a bag of sand and has no shot in a general, just due to his negatives among dems, independents and even republicans. This is shaping up to be a brokered convention, could be very exiting. | ||
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Ksi
357 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:25 Suisen wrote: Gingrich just tripped up too. Foreign policy blunder similar to those of Bachmann on Iran embassy and Cain on Libya. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/201112108493783540.html He thinks the alternative history fringe Jewish groups propose, contrary to all evidence, is the truth. He just denies the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by claiming it was all 'invented' afterwards. Wonder if he will be forced to pull out over this.. Come on now, these are Republican primary voters here. It doesn't matter if it's an outright lie, so long as it agrees with their black and white world view of good vs evil, it's not a problem. This is slightly less true for the American electorate as a whole, but only very, very slightly. Also Americans, especially the "swing voters" don't give a flying fuck about the nuances of foreign policy. The alternate history he proposes aligns well enough with the U.S. media's narrative of "Israel good, Palestinian Muzlims bad!" for it to not raise any red flags. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:35 lizzard_warish wrote: He has low negatives in republican polls and won the independent vote over obama in a ramussen poll a week ago, but okie dokie... Gingrich has a 34% unfavorability rate amongst republicans (see nate silver's latest blogs on 538) which isn't low by any definition, loses flat out in the independant range (see PPP polling) and doesn't stand a chance with registered democrats. These numbers actually go up once people know more about him, and most analists expect his unfavorables to go way over 50 when it comes to a general. None of the republican candidates that are running are currently acceptable to both the rank-and-file and the establishment, which is a recipe for total disaster. Every single frontrunner in the GOP primary is unelectable on a national basis, the only guy with somewhat of a shot is Romney. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On December 09 2011 11:49 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: A message from the troops: Why are we not listening to them more? Huh. I really think Ron Paul needs to make a condensed version of this for an ad. Foreign policy is his biggest sticking point (for Republicans) and emphasizing what troops are saying and who they're supporting with money is very powerful. Edit Is anyone watching the debate? Gah. Post-debate analysis is always frustrating. Who cares about a $10K bet? Romney's rich? Surprise. Such a silly thing to get worked up over. But you can see them thinking headlines as they talk about it. Would it actually be a big deal, if that wasn't thing they mentioned the most? What about everyone's attack on Gingrich's ties to Freddie-Mac? Gingrich's zinger on Romney losing to Teddy being the real reason Romney is not a career politician was much better. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
EDIT: Hell #whatcan10kbuy is a trend on twitter. Smooth Mitt very smooth. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On another note, does everyone agree that Diane Sawyer comes across as being one of the most condescending bitches alive? | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On December 11 2011 13:51 xDaunt wrote: Yep, cant stand her.Yeah, Romney looked bad at times tonight. That $10k bet thing was just retarded, too. As for Newt, he weathered the attacks on him like a pro. Very nice work. On another note, does everyone agree that Diane Sawyer comes across as being one of the most condescending bitches alive? ---- I dont actually support Romney but I dont get the problem with the 10k bet remark. I didnt interpret it as sincere, its a pretty common expression where I live anyway? Is it not where ya'll are? Seems people are taking him literally just so they can get offended, guess its fun? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On December 11 2011 14:27 lizzard_warish wrote: Yep, cant stand her. ---- I dont actually support Romney but I dont get the problem with the 10k bet remark. I didnt interpret it as sincere, its a pretty common expression where I live anyway? Is it not where ya'll are? Seems people are taking him literally just so they can get offended, guess its fun? It showed that he had the remark ready and willing yet he fired it off at Perry, who is already crashing and burning and made Romney look like he couldn't handle pressure. Didn't help that 10k is around a year's rent in some places in America, about average in fact. It makes him look even more out of touch. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:46 Rodimus Prime wrote: You know what's the blame? General public indifference/ignorance - not the media. People simply fail to give a shit. Most people do not like to learn about politics in depth, which is why there are a fuckload of swing/centrist voters at every election, and they only have themselves to blame for their retardation. And where, kind sir, are people supposed to learn about politics in depth? You can't trust anyone nowadays. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is trying to mislead you, and theres very little if any journalistic integrity. Theres no where to go to learn about things. | ||
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Rodimus Prime
182 Posts
On December 11 2011 14:39 Sadist wrote: And where, kind sir, are people supposed to learn about politics in depth? You can't trust anyone nowadays. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is trying to mislead you, and theres very little if any journalistic integrity. Theres no where to go to learn about things. Very good of you to address me as kind sir, as I have displayed the ability to shoot lasers out of my forearms, as well as having a retractable saw blade. A: The Internet. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:05 Derez wrote: Gingrich has a 34% unfavorability rate amongst republicans (see nate silver's latest blogs on 538) which isn't low by any definition, loses flat out in the independant range (see PPP polling) and doesn't stand a chance with registered democrats. These numbers actually go up once people know more about him, and most analists expect his unfavorables to go way over 50 when it comes to a general. None of the republican candidates that are running are currently acceptable to both the rank-and-file and the establishment, which is a recipe for total disaster. Every single frontrunner in the GOP primary is unelectable on a national basis, the only guy with somewhat of a shot is Romney. Romney wouldn't be able to win a reelection for Governor in Massachusetts if he tried, much less President of the U.S. What the Republicans are missing is a John Wayne/George Bush type of candidate. None of the candidates have any charisma. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
However, when it comes to electing a President, they want someone who is not successful, who has lived under extreme hardships. Those that did not work hard enough because they were too lazy. Nevermind that it seems pretty hard to become President without being independently wealthy, but it seems in this case, being rich is actually a bad thing. I know it's because of this strange desire to elect your beer buddy everyman as President, but it seems to run counter to other rhetoric on the success and worth of the wealthy. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney continued to catch flak Sunday morning for his casual offer to make a $10,000 wager during Saturday night's GOP presidential debate. Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace led his show with it, calling the exchange the defining moment of the debate. "I was taken a little aback," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said when asked about the bet. He added that as he drove into the Iowa studio to film the interview, he didn't pass a single house whose residents looked like the type of people who could nonchalantly make a $10,000 bet. He said he didn't think "anyone in Iowa would even think that a ten thousand dollar bet was possible," and that Romney is "out of touch with the normal Iowa citizen." Source | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
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