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Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
April 07 2011 21:39 GMT
#241
I got 192... FML!
I <3 Plexa.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:40:22
April 07 2011 21:39 GMT
#242
On April 08 2011 06:31 FroZen(-_-) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 05:36 Marradron wrote:
lol by standard mathematical rules the answer would be 288. However stupid people might not know this and assume 48/ (2((9+3) = 2. However this is wrong since multiplication and division are to be done in order unless changed by brackets.

THERES FUCKING BRACKETS

User was temp banned for this post.


There's fucking brackets. Or there are fucking brackets. TSK TSK!

On April 08 2011 06:39 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I got 192... FML!


....
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway474 Posts
April 07 2011 21:39 GMT
#243
On April 08 2011 06:37 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 06:36 blomsterjohn wrote:
haha for some reason I ended up with "48 / (2/12)" , which somehow also became 288, no idea how that came about since that's not the actual problem... cool tho, guess I better get more of this from my grower :D

48/(2/12) = (48*12)/2


Yeeah yeeeah my brain gets(it seems), just having abit issue with keeping my consciousness along
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:40:15
April 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#244
how can someone get to 2? you just read it from left to the right...

the only way to get 2 as the answer is if it had another parenthesis like that:
48÷(2(9+3))
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
GeneticToss
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:40:29
April 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#245
Poll: What does being smart have to do with the OP?

Protein Shake (25)
 
76%

Nothing (8)
 
24%

33 total votes

Your vote: What does being smart have to do with the OP?

(Vote): Nothing
(Vote): Protein Shake



Ahh cmon and now they change the title T_T
nFo on KGS
han_han
Profile Joined October 2010
United States205 Posts
April 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#246
Luckily, I view division as multiplication of the reciprocal.

To avoid any future division-related order of operation problems:

48 / 2 * (9 + 3)
48 * (1/2) * (12)
Hey look they're all being multiplied so order of operations is now solved. Since multiplication of factors is commutative, we can multiply in any order we want now. You can choose between:
48 * 6
24 * 12
576 * (1/2)

Personally for me 24 * 12 is the easiest there, but yes. Nice find.
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
April 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#247
this is absolutely sickening hahaha. nothing super surprising just hilarious to watch
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:46:51
April 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#248
Poll: How do you interpret "1/2x" ?

1/(2*x) (1980)
 
67%

(1/2)*x (990)
 
33%

2970 total votes

Your vote: How do you interpret "1/2x" ?

(Vote): 1/(2*x)
(Vote): (1/2)*x



+ Show Spoiler +
This one is interesting. Wolfram alpha interprets it as 1/(2*x), binding the omitted multiplication sign stronger to the variable x. But if you insist on left-to-right evaluation you get (1/2)*x.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 07 2011 21:41 GMT
#249
On April 08 2011 06:16 micronesia wrote:
48÷2(9+3)

This is a mathematical expression that severs no purpose other than to test if you truly understand how order of operations work. Technically the answer is 288, but practically if you see this written 'in the field' "48/2(9+3)" odds are pretty good that they meant "48 / [2(9+3)]."

This thread/poll serves little purpose other than to punish people who either A) don't remember their math or B) allow their experience with math rather than Pemdas lesson in primary/secondary school to dictate how they do math. It also is a place for people to go "haha look at that thread" :-/

I hate ambiguous mathematical expressions (whether it be because of technical ambiguity or laziness on the part of the person who wrote it) and hate this thread.

I'm closing this dumb poll thread. If anyone still does not understand it you can pm me. If anyone uses this as an excuse to troll me I'll just revoke your pm privileges lol

Chill Edit: Reopened. I don't see why you would close it, it's an interesting trick


micronesia....you cant just go and randomly create brackets when that completely changes the given problem. There is nothing ambiguous about it. I am worried about our public education system now ^^
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24780 Posts
April 07 2011 21:41 GMT
#250
On April 08 2011 06:39 munchmunch wrote:
How did this thread get reopened again? I thought micronesia's post summed it up perfectly.

Also, the "What is your education and what is you result?" poll really should have options for, "I didn't vote because I thought it was ambiguous".

Chill and I agreed to re-open it but we are changing the focus a bit... why is it that some people pick 2 and other people pick 288? It's not as simple as 'people who remember their math' and 'those who don't'
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#251
On April 08 2011 06:40 MasterOfChaos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: How do you interpret "1/2x" ?

1/(2*x) (1980)
 
67%

(1/2)*x (990)
 
33%

2970 total votes

Your vote: How do you interpret "1/2x" ?

(Vote): 1/(2*x)
(Vote): (1/2)*x


Umm...seeing that hurts my head. I would start looking for where that equation came from if I ever saw that in real life.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#252
Hahahahahah this thread has me laughing so hard.
d=(^_^)z
GiantEnemyCrab
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada503 Posts
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#253
BEDMASS brackets - division - multiplication
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munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#254
MasterOfChaos, that second poll is great!
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 17:38:26
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#255
Turn off the radio
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24780 Posts
April 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#256
On April 08 2011 06:41 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 06:16 micronesia wrote:
48÷2(9+3)

This is a mathematical expression that severs no purpose other than to test if you truly understand how order of operations work. Technically the answer is 288, but practically if you see this written 'in the field' "48/2(9+3)" odds are pretty good that they meant "48 / [2(9+3)]."

This thread/poll serves little purpose other than to punish people who either A) don't remember their math or B) allow their experience with math rather than Pemdas lesson in primary/secondary school to dictate how they do math. It also is a place for people to go "haha look at that thread" :-/

I hate ambiguous mathematical expressions (whether it be because of technical ambiguity or laziness on the part of the person who wrote it) and hate this thread.

I'm closing this dumb poll thread. If anyone still does not understand it you can pm me. If anyone uses this as an excuse to troll me I'll just revoke your pm privileges lol

Chill Edit: Reopened. I don't see why you would close it, it's an interesting trick


micronesia....you cant just go and randomly create brackets when that completely changes the given problem. There is nothing ambiguous about it. I am worried about our public education system now ^^

See this post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210235&currentpage=13#248
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:46:28
April 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#257
On April 08 2011 06:41 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 06:16 micronesia wrote:
48÷2(9+3)

This is a mathematical expression that severs no purpose other than to test if you truly understand how order of operations work. Technically the answer is 288, but practically if you see this written 'in the field' "48/2(9+3)" odds are pretty good that they meant "48 / [2(9+3)]."

This thread/poll serves little purpose other than to punish people who either A) don't remember their math or B) allow their experience with math rather than Pemdas lesson in primary/secondary school to dictate how they do math. It also is a place for people to go "haha look at that thread" :-/

I hate ambiguous mathematical expressions (whether it be because of technical ambiguity or laziness on the part of the person who wrote it) and hate this thread.

I'm closing this dumb poll thread. If anyone still does not understand it you can pm me. If anyone uses this as an excuse to troll me I'll just revoke your pm privileges lol

Chill Edit: Reopened. I don't see why you would close it, it's an interesting trick


micronesia....you cant just go and randomly create brackets when that completely changes the given problem. There is nothing ambiguous about it. I am worried about our public education system now ^^



he's right

the question in OP is technically 288, but technicalities are irrelevant
what's 1/2x to you?
if you say 288, you should also say 1/2x = x/2
and technically, yes, it's x/2
but really, it's 1/(2x) in real world

that said, i'm sad that 2 is such a popular answer. people should be aware of tricks and make no assumptions and vote 288 ;(

edit: lol sniped by micronesia
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:53:08
April 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#258
On April 08 2011 06:33 MasterOfChaos wrote:
An extended poll to find out if university courses have an influence on what people think on this question:
Poll: What is your education and what is you result?

288 - And I'm studying/have studied science/math/engineering at university level (1174)
 
36%

2 - And I'm studying/have studied science/math/engineering at university level (795)
 
24%

288 - And I'm not studying/have not studied science/math/engineering at university level (759)
 
23%

2 - And I'm not studying/have not studied science/math/engineering at university level (548)
 
17%

3276 total votes

Your vote: What is your education and what is you result?

(Vote): 2 - And I'm studying/have studied science/math/engineering at university level
(Vote): 288 - And I'm studying/have studied science/math/engineering at university level
(Vote): 2 - And I'm not studying/have not studied science/math/engineering at university level
(Vote): 288 - And I'm not studying/have not studied science/math/engineering at university level



Chill, can you add my poll to the OP so it gets a better data basis?



You just had to re-open this thread. Didn't you? EDIT: It was Chill and micro.

I think for now on, all contests that require you to do a skill testing question in order to win should use this question (not like they don't anyway!). Ha.

On April 08 2011 06:41 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 06:16 micronesia wrote:
48÷2(9+3)

This is a mathematical expression that severs no purpose other than to test if you truly understand how order of operations work. Technically the answer is 288, but practically if you see this written 'in the field' "48/2(9+3)" odds are pretty good that they meant "48 / [2(9+3)]."

This thread/poll serves little purpose other than to punish people who either A) don't remember their math or B) allow their experience with math rather than Pemdas lesson in primary/secondary school to dictate how they do math. It also is a place for people to go "haha look at that thread" :-/

I hate ambiguous mathematical expressions (whether it be because of technical ambiguity or laziness on the part of the person who wrote it) and hate this thread.

I'm closing this dumb poll thread. If anyone still does not understand it you can pm me. If anyone uses this as an excuse to troll me I'll just revoke your pm privileges lol

Chill Edit: Reopened. I don't see why you would close it, it's an interesting trick


micronesia....you cant just go and randomly create brackets when that completely changes the given problem. There is nothing ambiguous about it. I am worried about our public education system now ^^


This and a million times over. To me, it's a simple math problem. You cannot just go on and create brackets because as Golgotha pointed out. It changes everything.
staplestf2
Profile Joined January 2011
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 22:54:52
April 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#259
if you do it really fast you get 2
if you write it out or stop and think you get 288
"I live in Australia so it's a completely different set of rules. you need to be good at boomerang dodging and kangaroo boxing."
Divination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:46:02
April 07 2011 21:44 GMT
#260
The answer is 2.

The rule is not PEMDAS, it is
P
E
MD
AS

in other words: multiplication does not have priority over division. Rather, they have the same priority. Therefore if there is only multiplication and division remaining in the problem, the operation that is furthest to the LEFT is done first (left to right). So the answer is 2.
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